Lumbermill vs Mine

[br_casino]

Assuming that I have a hill/forest/plains or hill/forest/grassland, does it make any since to build a lumbermill that will only give me +1 hammer (+2 with railroad) when I can build a mine that will give me +2 hammer (+3 with railroad) and an immediate chop rush?

It seems to me the only time Lumbermills make since are on flat squares when I need additional hammers over the long run.

 

[malekithe]

Depends... How much do you value half a health point?

 

[asabahi]

I believe next to river you get an extra commerace point with lumbermils. I could be wrong. My theory mine away, and later if you need food, windmils.

 

[malekithe]

I believe next to river you get an extra commerace point with lumbermils. I could be wrong.

Yep, you're wrong. No extra commerce from lumbermills, you just get back the commerce the forest was costing you.

 

[DaveMcW]

Always mine the hill.

The health is not worth all those hammers you lose waiting for lumbermills and missing the chop. Plus you don't want enemies hiding in a forest hill.

You actually LOSE a commerce point for having a forest, and you only regain it with a lumbermill. You never regain it if the lumbermill is on the corner of a river.

 

[asabahi]

Yep, you're wrong. No extra commerce from lumbermills, you just get back the commerce the forest was costing you.

Actually I do not think I am. I just checked and next to river a lumber camp gives one extra commerce point.

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/#Landscape

 

[malekithe]

The health is not worth all those hammers you lose waiting for lumbermills and missing the chop. Plus you don't want enemies hiding in a forest hill.

Of course, when you can't even build lumbermills, mine the hill. But, if you have the choice, it's sometimes not as cut-and-dry. (Though, I usually go with the mine)

 

[malekithe]

Actually I do not think I am. I just checked and next to river a lumber camp gives one extra commerce point.

Again, they give you back that one commerce you lose for keeping the forest there. A mine on a grassland hill next to a river with a railroad will give you 1F4H1C. A lumbermill in a forest on a grassland hill on a river with a railroad will give you 1F4H1C.

 

[br_casino]

Thanks, thats what I thought.

 

[Pellanor]

Assuming that you have the tech for both Lumbermills and Mines, then it becomes a choice between:
Lumbermills: 1/2 Health.
Mine: 30 hammers, small % of discovering a resource each turn.

Generally I mine. The only time I build the lumbermill is when health is suffering in that city, perhaps due to a bunch of floodplains nearby.

 

[OceansEleven]

I mine on all hills... Apart from that, the plains go to Cottages, and most of the grassland to farms. Others are workshops. I only use lumbermills on places with Tundra.

 

[Hans Lemurson]

With a few exceptions, Mine = Lumbermill.

(Plains/forest + Lumbermill) = (Grass/Hill + Mine) = (Grass/Forest/Hill + Lumbermill). Grass/Forests or Plains/Hills just trade a food for a hammer, or vice versa.

That said, mine all hills. Why? Because (if there is a forest on the hill) you can chop the forest without any penalty! Building a mine there gives you the same yield as a lumbermill, and comes way earlier in technology.

However, if you want to include the health bonus of forests, just use the following formula:
Iff , then 1 = 1.

 

[Zaimejs]

wow... I've been keeping a couple forests around for the later benefit of lumbermills, but I guess I've been wrong all this time.

Thanks for the question and the head's up!

 

[drkodos]

The only reason for keeping forrested tiles around is for their aid in regenerating additional forrested tiles for chopping.

 

[DaveMcW]

wow... I've been keeping a couple forests around for the later benefit of lumbermills, but I guess I've been wrong all this time.

Thanks for the question and the head's up!

This thread is about forests on hills. Forests on flatland are more useful pre-lumbermills, especially if you have other tiles you can work while getting the free health bonus.

 

[automator]

I like lumbermills. I can still get food out of the tile. By end game, a lumbermilled forest/grassland/hill with a railroad kicks out a LOT of hammers. Two food if I'm running state property.

 

[malekithe]

I like lumbermills. I can still get food out of the tile. By end game, a lumbermilled forest/grassland/hill with a railroad kicks out a LOT of hammers. Two food if I'm running state property.

Nope, lumbermills don't get a food bonus under State Property.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

^^Yeah, workshops do though. My favorite improvement of all is the workshop (post SP of course). If I have a production city near some floodplains, (once i get SP)forget about it . Those floodplain squares get workshoped right up! +3H? are you kidding me? I love it. Anyway, does ne one know if you can build a workshop on a hill? Maybe that would be overpowered.

 

[malekithe]

Anyway, does ne one know if you can build a workshop on a hill? Maybe that would be overpowered.

You can't, but why would you? A mine with a railroad produces the same effect as a post-SP workshop without the dependence upon any particular civic.

 

[Beamup]

Plus the chance to find a resource.