Mafia/NOTW Statistics
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Asking again: What was the team "The Good Guys," were the townies or neutrals?
Buddhafish
Abbey Road
Didn't topsecret host that one?
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
In JoanK's first mafia game, A Tale of One City, he thought it was too hard and thought he played horrible. It appears he won the next 5 games he played after that.
I said actual scumhunting is too hard and I did horribly at that. I ended up trusting Jarrema, who was Mafia. But of course I didn't know a thing about Mafia by then.
Also, two of those wins were as Mafia, I believe, and that was easier to do.
Also, two of those wins were as Mafia, I believe, and that was easier to do.
It depends. Sometimes it's easier as a mafia, sometimes it's easier as an innocent, depending on who your teammates are, luck, and how good your host is at making balanced games.
I can tell from statistics that some players win much more as townies than as mafia. The best example I can think of is Diamondeye, who has 0.545 winning percentage as a townie, but a 0.000 as a mafia. Maybe that's just small sample size, though.
In that case:
Won: 2 (BSmith1068, Mat93)
Lost: 8 (Jarrema, JoanK, DarthNader, DaveShack, NinjaCow64, MartinLuther, classical hero, GhostWriter16)
Town: 6 (Jarrema, JoanK, DarthNader, DaveShack, NinjaCow64, MartinLuther)
Neutral: 2 (classical hero, GhostWriter16)
Mafia: 2 (BSmith1068, Mat93)
Survived: 4 (BSmith1068, Mat93, NinjaCow64, DaveShack)
Thus ends DaveShack's 7-game winning streak.
Zack
99% hot gas
Thus, it is easier to win as mafia. Also, when you're mafia you have infinitely more control over the outcome than you do as town.
Verarde
Pondering Wearing A Hat
Another point to make: 10 have been won by Neutrals or drawn. Showing that it is even harder to win as a Neutral than it is as Town.
Zack
99% hot gas
That's not a reasonable assumption. There are dozens of mafia games played on this forum that lacked any neutrals.
NOTW (XLIV? XLII? Not really sure how to title it...): Only The Strong
Mat will count for his first character, not his second after replacing Buddhafish, though the only difference between the two was that the second survived.
Won: 17 (CivCube, Verarde, Zack, Choxorn, Visorslash, Takhisis, Ninjacow64, BSmith1068, Kennigit, Mergle, Mat93, Daveshack, JoanK, SouthernKing, Earthling, Backwards Logic, Dreadnought)
Lost: 7 (Filli_Noctus, Bad Player, alsark, johnhughthom, classical_hero, topsecret, Optical)
Town: 20 (CivCube, Verarde, Zack, Choxorn, Visorslash, Takhisis, Mythmonster2, Ninjacow64, BSmith1068, Kennigit, Mergle, Mat93, Daveshack, JoanK, Buddhafish, SouthernKing, Earthling, Methos, Backwards Logic, Dreadnought)
Neutral: 1 (Optical)
Mafia: 6 (Filli_Noctus, Bad Player, alsark, johnhughthom, classical_hero, topsecret)
Survived: 5 (Backwards Logic, Dreadnought, Mergle, NinjaCow64, Visorslash)
Replaced: 1 (Buddhafish)
WoG'ed: 2 (Methos, mythmonster2)
Mat will count for his first character, not his second after replacing Buddhafish, though the only difference between the two was that the second survived.
Won: 17 (CivCube, Verarde, Zack, Choxorn, Visorslash, Takhisis, Ninjacow64, BSmith1068, Kennigit, Mergle, Mat93, Daveshack, JoanK, SouthernKing, Earthling, Backwards Logic, Dreadnought)
Lost: 7 (Filli_Noctus, Bad Player, alsark, johnhughthom, classical_hero, topsecret, Optical)
Town: 20 (CivCube, Verarde, Zack, Choxorn, Visorslash, Takhisis, Mythmonster2, Ninjacow64, BSmith1068, Kennigit, Mergle, Mat93, Daveshack, JoanK, Buddhafish, SouthernKing, Earthling, Methos, Backwards Logic, Dreadnought)
Neutral: 1 (Optical)
Mafia: 6 (Filli_Noctus, Bad Player, alsark, johnhughthom, classical_hero, topsecret)
Survived: 5 (Backwards Logic, Dreadnought, Mergle, NinjaCow64, Visorslash)
Replaced: 1 (Buddhafish)
WoG'ed: 2 (Methos, mythmonster2)
Well, from certain point of view it is true.
But you can also take into account that you are playing townie 5 times more than mafia (or even more). So, if you just go for random, you will win more often as a town. Of course, proportion of winnings to loses would be lower.
But does he have a survival streak?
I don't keep track of that.
True, it's not totally reasonable, but he's completely right about that. Also, 2 of the Neutral Victories were in games I counted everyone as Neutral, and one of the Draws (MNOTW 6) was in a game where the only neutral was a Serial Killer who lost.
On the other hand, I only list it as a Neutral Victory if it was a victory only for the Neutrals. Towns+Neutral (e.g., Those Darn States) I just put as town victory. And "Neutral" can be a lot of different things, whereas there's not many different ways to be a townie or a mafia.
John Carpenter's the thing is hard, because it's difficult for me to tell who actually did die and who actually was The Thing. 
Help me, Civ-Cube-Kenobi, you're my only hope!
Help me, Civ-Cube-Kenobi, you're my only hope!
I had a streak? Didn't realize it was that long, because there were lots of deaths for the cause along the way.
Yeah, it spanned from Wild Wild West to Fallout Mafia.
Anyway, back to the thing. CivCube helped me a bit in PM's, and said that the stats are:
Won: 9 (Zack, Visorslash, topsecret, Verarde, Takhisis, Jarrema, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
Lost: 1 (Mat93)
Town: 9 (Zack, Visorslash, topsecret, Verarde, Takhisis, Jarrema, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
Neutral: 1 (Mat93)
Survived: 6 (Zack, topsecret, Verarde, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
Anyway, back to the thing. CivCube helped me a bit in PM's, and said that the stats are:
Won: 9 (Zack, Visorslash, topsecret, Verarde, Takhisis, Jarrema, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
Lost: 1 (Mat93)
Town: 9 (Zack, Visorslash, topsecret, Verarde, Takhisis, Jarrema, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
Neutral: 1 (Mat93)
Survived: 6 (Zack, topsecret, Verarde, robbiecon, JoanK, classical hero)
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
It was an interesting game.
Turquoiside
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The best example I can think of is Diamondeye, who has 0.545 winning percentage as a townie, but a 0.000 as a mafia. Maybe that's just small sample size, though.
My mafia winning percentage is 0.000 as well, although that's mainly because I've never been Mafia. I say mainly because unfortunately, until recently my townie win percentage wasn't that much higher.
Also, how do you count Neutral victories? Are those only tallied if the neutral party is the only victor? And if so, what are neutrals that win alongside or independent of the Town counted as?
