Make a case for ONE unique civ that you feel needs more attention.

[Lazy sweeper]

I will start making the case for... the SHARDANA civ.

The Shardana were inhabitants of ancient Sardinia. Warlike culture. The island hosted two main groups. the LUSITANI and the SHARDANS.
The Shardans kings sacked Egypt, and settled in Palestine, Pan-viran derivative name from a Shardan god. The Pelasgi, or the Sea people. Pelasgi>Palestine.
The waged war on the Hittite for many years, founded many cities in Asia Minor, and after conquering Egypt, they allied with them.
For many years they were the most powerful Sea people of the Mediterranean. Greece was also heavily built by the Shardans, and in Greek
Mithology, we find names, that are real places, in the Shardans kingdom. They left the tombs of the giants, and the Nuraghe.
The Romans propaganda diminished their importance, but they inherited almost everything from them.
Ceasar, ís Shardan word for King. Sisura>Cesar is greek for skin mantle. Pausania origin myth first men Pelasgios was a warrior with skin coats and red mantle.
In the Bible all Palestine<Philisteii<Pelasgi cities on the coast were inhabited by these people with skin coats. The red mantle was the symbol for the King.
Pan-estina< also derived from the name for the Shardan goddess of Pastoral protection. Pale. Or Padda. (Hay)
Rome, was founded initially around a hot water source temple in the form of a horseshoe. that still bears its ancestral name for sacred hot water in the Shardan language
The Shardan language was a mix of Aramaic, and Semitic, which evolved completely independently from the Romans.
They performed rituals connected to the Moon and Sun gods of Egypt and Babylon.
The Spartans were Shardans. Spartans later returned to their original lands in Sardinia, and started the Magna Grecia city of Taranto in South Italy.

The early appearance of this civilization dates back to possibly 10.000 BC. Historic accounts gives more Bronze Age accounts, and complete absorption by the Romans by 300BC.

The Sea Peoples and Their Contributions to Civilization - The BAS Library

The Sea Peoples are unappreciated. This is in part because the most famous of them, the Philistines, received such bad press in the Bible. But the other Sea Peoples—among them the Shardana, Sikila, Lukka and the Danuna—have also been treated poorly, even by scholars, who often blame them for...

library.biblicalarchaeology.org

Unique traits: Sea people. Warriors. Musicians of the gods. Agriculturals. Strongholds.

 

[Vandlys]

I will start making the case for... the SHARDANA civ.

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The Shardana were inhabitants of ancient Sardinia. Warlike culture. The island hosted two main groups. the LUSITANI and the SHARDANS.
The Shardans kings sacked Egypt, and settled in Palestine, Pan-viran derivative name from a Shardan god. The Pelasgi, or the Sea people. Pelasgi>Palestine.
The waged war on the Hittite for many years, founded many cities in Asia Minor, and after conquering Egypt, they allied with them.
For many years they were the most powerful Sea people of the Mediterranean. Greece was also heavily built by the Shardans, and in Greek
Mithology, we find names, that are real places, in the Shardans kingdom. They left the tombs of the giants, and the Nuraghe.
The Romans propaganda diminished their importance, but they inherited almost everything from them.
Ceasar, ís Shardan word for King. Sisura>Cesar is greek for skin mantle. Pausania origin myth first men Pelasgios was a warrior with skin coats and red mantle.
In the Bible all Palestine<Philisteii<Pelasgi cities on the coast were inhabited by these people with skin coats. The red mantle was the symbol for the King.
Pan-estina< also derived from the name for the Shardan goddess of Pastoral protection. Pale. Or Padda. (Hay)
Rome, was founded initially around a hot water source temple in the form of a horseshoe. that still bears its ancestral name for sacred hot water in the Shardan language
The Shardan language was a mix of Aramaic, and Semitic, which evolved completely independently from the Romans.
They performed rituals connected to the Moon and Sun gods of Egypt and Babylon.
The Spartans were Shardans. Spartans later returned to their original lands in Sardinia, and started the Magna Grecia city of Taranto in South Italy.

The early appearance of this civilization dates back to possibly 10.000 BC. Historic accounts gives more Bronze Age accounts, and complete absorption by the Romans by 300BC.

The Sea Peoples and Their Contributions to Civilization - The BAS Library

The Sea Peoples are unappreciated. This is in part because the most famous of them, the Philistines, received such bad press in the Bible. But the other Sea Peoples—among them the Shardana, Sikila, Lukka and the Danuna—have also been treated poorly, even by scholars, who often blame them for...

library.biblicalarchaeology.org

Unique traits: Sea people. Warriors. Musicians of the gods. Agriculturals. Strongholds.

Do you feel like expanding on your unique traits? What exactly would they do?

 

[pokiehl]

There’s a lot of dubious, strange information in the explanation, with an extremely confused retelling of the history and incorrect assumptions. A lot of the terms don’t even return results when googled.

The Greek term “Pelasgi” does not refer to the “Sea Peoples” related to the Bronze Age collapse. Claiming the Sea People “built Greece” is wildly inaccurate as well.

There’s no connection between “Shardans” and “Spartans.” Claiming the Romans inherited their civilization from them is similarly unfounded.

Claiming the Sherdan language was a mix of "Aramaic and Semitic" makes little sense. Aramaic IS a Semitic language. And anyway, their supposed language (Nuragic) is completely unclassified. There are other inaccuracies as well.

 

[Patine]

I will start making the case for... the SHARDANA civ.

View attachment 697657


The Shardana were inhabitants of ancient Sardinia. Warlike culture. The island hosted two main groups. the LUSITANI and the SHARDANS.
The Shardans kings sacked Egypt, and settled in Palestine, Pan-viran derivative name from a Shardan god. The Pelasgi, or the Sea people. Pelasgi>Palestine.
The waged war on the Hittite for many years, founded many cities in Asia Minor, and after conquering Egypt, they allied with them.
For many years they were the most powerful Sea people of the Mediterranean. Greece was also heavily built by the Shardans, and in Greek
Mithology, we find names, that are real places, in the Shardans kingdom. They left the tombs of the giants, and the Nuraghe.
The Romans propaganda diminished their importance, but they inherited almost everything from them.
Ceasar, ís Shardan word for King. Sisura>Cesar is greek for skin mantle. Pausania origin myth first men Pelasgios was a warrior with skin coats and red mantle.
In the Bible all Palestine<Philisteii<Pelasgi cities on the coast were inhabited by these people with skin coats. The red mantle was the symbol for the King.
Pan-estina< also derived from the name for the Shardan goddess of Pastoral protection. Pale. Or Padda. (Hay)
Rome, was founded initially around a hot water source temple in the form of a horseshoe. that still bears its ancestral name for sacred hot water in the Shardan language
The Shardan language was a mix of Aramaic, and Semitic, which evolved completely independently from the Romans.
They performed rituals connected to the Moon and Sun gods of Egypt and Babylon.
The Spartans were Shardans. Spartans later returned to their original lands in Sardinia, and started the Magna Grecia city of Taranto in South Italy.

The early appearance of this civilization dates back to possibly 10.000 BC. Historic accounts gives more Bronze Age accounts, and complete absorption by the Romans by 300BC.

The Sea Peoples and Their Contributions to Civilization - The BAS Library

The Sea Peoples are unappreciated. This is in part because the most famous of them, the Philistines, received such bad press in the Bible. But the other Sea Peoples—among them the Shardana, Sikila, Lukka and the Danuna—have also been treated poorly, even by scholars, who often blame them for...

library.biblicalarchaeology.org

Unique traits: Sea people. Warriors. Musicians of the gods. Agriculturals. Strongholds.

Who would be their leader? As I recall reading, no verifiable leade is attested. Nor is an endonym ot confirmed, nor is a language (these etymologies of Latin/Roman terms seem to be sketchy and wild hypothesis, as are Aramaic, or any Semitic language, being spoken in Sardiia before Punic, much, much later), the Spartan link is sketchy. Shardana just appears to be from a list of peoples the Egyptians from the Ramesside Dynasties listed off as, "groups of Sea Peoples," and the names are likelly Egyptian, or heavy Egyptifications. The Philistines were LIKELY of Sea People origin, but their roots are very murky, and they may just have likely been of Mycenaean origin. I'm all for new, intriguing, and unrepresented civ's, but not highly mythologized ones, of which a few others have been proposed here, as well.

 

[123joanna321]

Not a specific one, but please, please, please devs don't just combine the entire Indian subcontinent into one civ. Its beyond silly at this point

 

[Nikolai II]

I'd love more diversity and granuality in general, but at the same time the civs need to be impactful in some way historically. Not merely filler.

 

[Daniel Boone]

I'd love more diversity and granuality in general, but at the same time the civs need to be impactful in some way historically. Not merely filler.

I agree. We don’t need to be adding civs just for the sake of adding them. The game does not need every culture across human history represented.

 

[Potworny]

My one biggest archeological wish is that Caesar Claudius' works on Etruscans (namely chronicles and a dictionary) are miraculously found and it becomes large enough news (ha) that they become a civ candidate. Naturally they geographically occupied a space that left them stomped by the Romans, both in terms of survival and relevance for our beloved franchise, but there are a couple of things that make them interesting and a couple of more or less far fetched maybes that would have had made them incredibly influencial. First off, I like their artwork and language and that's enough for me (the supposed "last speaker" of the tongue was a Roman emperor, how cool is that), they had non-Indo-European roots, they wrote from right to left, then left to right, then right to left (alternating between every written line so that you typed and read faster ) they traded all over Europe, having connections with Greeks and Egyptians too. They had a great influence upon Romans, and were responsible for plenty of peculiarities of early Roman religion and script (for example there was no letter G in early written Latin, and yet gamma was right there to import).

Also there's a veeeery slight chance that they've contributed to the Bronze Age Collapse, and if this hypothesis somehow proves to be true then they definitely deserve to be included if you ask me. They deserve a city-state at the very least.

 

[Haig]

Romania/Wallachia

Vlad Tepes would make a charismatic leader and the region has not been represented apart from a city-state.

Abilities could be around diplomacy... and the carpathian mountains!

 

[Nikolai II]

My one biggest archeological wish is that Caesar Claudius' works on Etruscans (namely chronicles and a dictionary) are miraculously found and it becomes large enough news (ha) that they become a civ candidate. Naturally they geographically occupied a space that left them stomped by the Romans, both in terms of survival and relevance for our beloved franchise, but there are a couple of things that make them interesting and a couple of more or less far fetched maybes that would have had made them incredibly influencial. First off, I like their artwork and language and that's enough for me (the supposed "last speaker" of the tongue was a Roman emperor, how cool is that), they had non-Indo-European roots, they wrote from right to left, then left to right, then right to left (alternating between every written line so that you typed and read faster ) they traded all over Europe, having connections with Greeks and Egyptians too. They had a great influence upon Romans, and were responsible for plenty of peculiarities of early Roman religion and script (for example there was no letter G in early written Latin, and yet gamma was right there to import).

Also there's a veeeery slight chance that they've contributed to the Bronze Age Collapse, and if this hypothesis somehow proves to be true then they definitely deserve to be included if you ask me. They deserve a city-state at the very least.

Etruscans are cool, yeah.

 

[Quintillus]

Seeing as Georgia was on Firaxis's mind for Civ VI, I'm thinking perhaps Armenia. They were a significant regional power for most of classical antiquity, a regional power again in the Middle Ages, and have regained independence again in the 20th century.

Romania/Wallachia is also a good candidate, as is having multiple nations from the Indian subcontinent. And while it probably won't be in time for Civ VII, I would love if we uncovered more information about the Etruscans. Whether that's more likely than uncovering a more thorough history of the Carthaginians? Hard to say.

 

[ldvhl]

Any non-colonial civilizations of the western hemisphere.

 

[Patine]

Romania/Wallachia

Vlad Tepes would make a charismatic leader and the region has not been represented apart from a city-state.

Abilities could be around diplomacy... and the carpathian mountains!

Nailing foreign delegates' turbans to their heads and sending those severed heads to their sovereign, claiming they didn't to the courtesy of removing their hats upon entering the audience chambers is stellar diplomacy!

Although, Jalal al-Din Mangburni, the last Shah of the Khwarezmian Empire, did very similar to Genghis Khan's envoys, and it didn't go NEARLY as well for him...

That said, I would like to see Vlad, but with appropriate abilities...

 

[reddishrecue]

Etruscans are cool, yeah.

I heard Etruscans had good architectural designs whom the Romans got the dome from.

 

[Leyrann]

The Shardans kings sacked Egypt, and settled in Palestine, Pan-viran derivative name from a Shardan god. The Pelasgi, or the Sea people. Pelasgi>Palestine.

I don't think that etymology works...

The Sea People had the height of their relevance around something like 1100 BC or something. The ancient kingdom of Israel only existed after that, in an area also known at the time of Canaan, and of course the name of Judea was given to the area as well in time. I'm not aware of any names that might have been given to the area by the Babylonians, Persians or Greeks under Alexander, but I do know that it was only when the Romans conquered it in like, 100 BC or something (I might be half a century off...) that it was (by them) given the name Palestine. It's extremely unlikely that they were even aware of the Sea People, let alone specifically by this name.

Ceasar, ís Shardan word for King.

I find that very questionable. Not only is it a bit too convenient that a word that means 'king' is at the root of the term 'emperor' in various languages (e.g. Germanic and Slavic ones, Kaiser, Czar, etc) by means of a person with the right name being in the right position, but Romans also had a very negative view of kings, and wouldn't want to be named after them.

And there are numerous other things in your post that seem... questionable at best, to me, but which I don't know enough about to refute. Pokiehl pointed a few out though.

Naturally they geographically occupied a space that left them stomped by the Romans

To be fair, isn't one of the prevailing theories about the revolution that led to the foundation of the Roman Republic that they had actually been conquered by Etruskan kings, and this was them throwing that off? With the reason we're not told that part in Roman history being that as far as Romans were concerned, of course no one had ever conquered Rome, so they wrote it as if the kings, however evil, were Roman.

 

[Potworny]

To be fair, isn't one of the prevailing theories about the revolution that led to the foundation of the Roman Republic that they had actually been conquered by Etruskan kings, and this was them throwing that off? With the reason we're not told that part in Roman history being that as far as Romans were concerned, of course no one had ever conquered Rome, so they wrote it as if the kings, however evil, were Roman.

Yeah, the roots of the Roman Republic itself were Etruscan to some limited degree, though there are some ambiguity to its extent (the city of Rome possibly even being founded by the Etruscans). Though I'm afraid it makes Etruscans even less plausible as a separate civ for now - if we can't even get de-blobbified India, how come I'd expect Rasna separated from Rome? :v

Give me Veii as a city state or something and I won't complain about it for like 20 years.

 

[Quintillus]

Give me Veii as a city state or something and I won't complain about it for like 20 years.

In Civ III, the second city in Rome's list of city names is Veii, and the city names are always chosen sequentially, so unless a human player chooses a different name, Rome's second city is named Veii.

It sort of makes sense if you think of the city list as a chronological list of important cities that were incorporated into a civilization's territory, rather than a list of cities by prominence once the civilization was well-established.

Whether that's enough to count as "or something"... That's for you to decide.

 

[Potworny]

In Civ III, the second city in Rome's list of city names is Veii, and the city names are always chosen sequentially, so unless a human player chooses a different name, Rome's second city is named Veii.

It sort of makes sense if you think of the city list as a chronological list of important cities that were incorporated into a civilization's territory, rather than a list of cities by prominence once the civilization was well-established.

Whether that's enough to count as "or something"... That's for you to decide.

Oh, that actually is something, I completely forgot about it. I guess it makes Rome even more of a blob civ which absorbed Etruscans then??? Over 20 years have passed since the release of Civ III so I sustain my right to complain.

Interestingly enough in Civ VI there's also the capital of ancient Armenia on the list (Artaxata) and Syria (Palmyra), two other decent candidates.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Before they even got out of Italy the Romans had 'absorbed' the Etruscans to the north, the Sabines in central Italy, and the Greek colonial foundations to the south, including such 'Italian' cities as Naples and Tarentum. The critical point, though, is that they incorporated all those people as Roman Citizens so that by the time they expanded into Gaul, Spain, Greece, et al the Italian Peninsula was firmly Roman from one end to the other. The modern division of Italy into northern and southern, Sicilian and Tuscan differences dates largely from much, much later in the Medieval and Renaissance Eras.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Siam / Thailand

Better history research please. try to avoid Luang Wijit Watakarn's 'Fascist Propaganda' version which made Sukhothai the First Empire. in fact the actual First Capitol (as real Empire) was Ayutthaya. and either King Naret or King Narai are better leaders choice.
and don't forget King Nakorn-In , a person who truly brough Ayutthaya to the High Sea, by adding seafaring peoples to the Empire (Chams, and more specially, Melayu peoples, much of vocabularies in modern Thai languages are loaned from Bahasa Melayu. particularly nautical terms, like 'Kanchiang' (กรรเชียง) or 'Krachiang' (กระเชียง) which means 'oars'. This word is loaned because oars aren't native to Tais (they're mountainious or highland valley peoples to begin with, their ancestors never see an open sea even once), watercraft manual propulsions native to them was paddles and all royal barges are paddled (crews face forward). not oar-rowed. (crews face backward)... also the term 'Kalasi' (กะลาสี) which means 'sailor' is loaned (i don't now if original Melayu term shares the same meaning or it means 'Oarsmen' actually?