Malaysia recognizes Kosovo independance.

[Loki130]

Cough, what is desintigrating? That's quite non-English.

And I like to use term "Former eastern bloc".

desintigrating disentigrating, i dont know how its spelled. does 'falling apart' work? and, again, i dont care what people say i should call it.

 

[plarq]

Former Eastern European falling apart?

Are they going back to Russia?

If not, they're still in EU and NATO and anti-Russia, so where is the falling apart?

 

[Loki130]

Former Eastern European falling apart?

Are they going back to Russia?

If not, they're still in EU and NATO and anti-Russia, so where is the falling apart?

the formation of independent countries. Im almost encouraged to make a flag, head into serbia, and establish the People's Socialist Republic of Loki

 

[plarq]

the formation of independent countries. Im almost encouraged to make a flag, head into serbia, and establish the People's Socialist Republic of Loki

Former Yugoslavia is considered Balkans...

 

[Loki130]

Former Yugoslavia is considered Balkans...

again, its east of me

 

[aronnax]

again, its east of me

Everything is the east of something.

You the East of the Ex-Yugoslavia, its just the long way round.

 

[storealex]

The genocidal Albanian government in Kosovo will eventually fall of its own accord and then Serbian land will be returned to Serbia.

God you must miss the days when the genocidal Serbian government killed Albanians?

 

[Winner]

Damn right it is, and we're winning.

You?

Only one who's winning are crazy separatists all over the world.

Kosovo is a failed state, a criminal den, drug trafficing and people smuggling depot with 50% unemployment and 100% dependance on foreign aid. Ethnic Serbs were driven out, their property has been illegaly seized by Albanian mobs and they're not allowed to return despite the peace treaties which specifically say they have a right to return home. Albanian "government" is led by an ex-terrorist who are responsible for mass murders of Serbian civilian population and widespread ethnic cleansing.

Great victory for democracy indeed

 

[Winner]

God you must miss the days when the genocidal Serbian government killed Albanians?

Is that some sort of a Western European urban myth? I heard that story zillion times before, but I have yet to see a single proof. I guess that's what urban myths is - scary story without proof, right?

 

[warpus]

Please, both sides have innocent blood on their hands.

As far as I'm concerned the land should be made into a man-made lake.

 

[Winner]

Please, both sides have innocent blood on their hands.

As far as I'm concerned the land should be made into a man-made lake.

Yeah, that's such a clever response...

What nobody can deny is that the West has simply decided to side with someone who's morally rotten to the bottom ONLY because the Serbs had bad reputation after Bosnia and all that.

As I said so many times before - the Serb crackdown was harsh, granted. A lot of Albanians left their homes in fear. Some pretty terrible things were done by Serb paramilitaries. But that's all what some Westerners decided to see. What they don't want to see is that the crackdown was brought about by Albanian insurgency and repeated brutal attacks against Serb officials and civilians, and that the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army was massacring Serbs and pro-Belgrade Albanians alike, while making money from drug trafficking.

NATO could at least stay impartial in Kosovo after its criminal bombing campaign against Serbia proper (I wonder how could bombing targeting civilian infrastructure even be considered acceptable in the 1990s, because something like that is soooo like Vietnam or WW2) and punish Serbian and Albanian criminals alike. But guess what happened - NATO allied itself with KLA terrorists. Oh my Gods, that's like forming an alliance with Taleban.

NATO stood and watched how Serbian villages were being burnt, how Serbs were being driven out and how centuries old Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries were being destroyed and desacrated by Albanians mob and it didn't MOVE A FINGER to stop it. How's that fair? How's that just? How's that related to the proclaimed goals of the intervention?! That's right, it wasn't. NATO screwed up big time, it was, morally speaking, much worse screwup than Iraq. I feel deeply ashamed that my country was involved in this organized rape of a whole country.

The recognition of independence of Kosovo was just the coronation, the epic climax of the biggest single failure in NATO's history and the most immoral intervention in Western history, completely contradictory to all its proclaimed ideals and values.

And here I go listening to people who think it was OK, or that it was a victory for Western values and democracy. Gods forgive them

 

[frekk]

Only one who's winning are crazy separatists all over the world

Yep. Well, them and the major powers. Everybody inbetween is getting the shaft. Soon it'll just be China, the USA, Russia, and then a billion and one microcountries that can be pushed around with a twitch of the pinkie finger.

They think they're fighting for sovereignty, but what they'll get is a veneer of autonomy over total foreign domination.

 

[TheLastOne36]

You forgot Poland!

and many others

most of those(if not all) countries excluding Albania would not have recognized it's independence if the USA had not.

the formation of independent countries. Im almost encouraged to make a flag, head into serbia, and establish the People's Socialist Republic of Loki

You obviously do not know anything about the issue. It is not so much "slavs" or "eastern europe" or the "former eastern bloc" it is the Balkans, which has been a power struggle ever since the Balkan wars.

I don't see Lithuania (eastern Europe) Poland (Central Europe) or Hungary (Central Europe) breaking up any time soon.

Also the Former USSR point is mute because of obvious reasons, anyone who is getting independence anytime soon in what you call "Eastern Europe" is going to happen in the Balkans.

---
Anyway i strongly believe the Russian invasion of Georgia was wrong, but Kosovo is even worse! And the fact that it was done by Western Countries to!

 

[philippe]

You?

Only one who's winning are crazy separatists all over the world.

Kosovo is a failed state, a criminal den, drug trafficing and people smuggling depot with 50% unemployment and 100% dependance on foreign aid. Ethnic Serbs were driven out, their property has been illegaly seized by Albanian mobs and they're not allowed to return despite the peace treaties which specifically say they have a right to return home. Albanian "government" is led by an ex-terrorist who are responsible for mass murders of Serbian civilian population and widespread ethnic cleansing.

Great victory for democracy indeed

That just sounds like Georgia.

 

[TheLastOne36]

^where's the failed state, criminals, drug trafficking, unemployment and dependency on foreign aid, outside of Abkhazia and SO before the Russian invasion?

Anyway i think Winner believes that the Russian invasion of Georgia is wrong to, so i don't see your arguement.

 

[philippe]

uh, Georgia has 75% of his trade of it' economy in illegal goods, what does that say?

 

[TheLastOne36]

^Source?

and i'm asking without Abkhazia or South Ossetia included, just Georgia itself.

 

[philippe]

source?
An article on maffia in Belgium, with a special chapter to georgia, source is the "humo: www.humo.be, a magazine with a lot of attention for music and foreign policy (weird combo, heh?) and political and social stuff.

So, unless you can read Dutch in a library here, I can't really link you to some internet article, and how would it support my argument if i just copy-pasted an article after a three minute google search?

i think John Le Carré wrote a book with it as one of the themes though.

 

[TheLastOne36]

I don't mind, the "foxlingo" application on firefox will take care of the language barrier for me.

 

[philippe]

this is the link to diverse articles, on the same issue, the maffia in antwerp, mostly it goes about Russian maffia, but it also go deepers in Georgian and Chechian maffia.
http://www.humo.be/cps/rde/xchg/hum...Humo2853-1995-Antwerpen-Russische-maffia.html

EDIT: these are articles on older years, i can't find the most recent one, from where I can cite the numbers.