Pandora's Box is about to be open: Kosovo will be recognized

[Mise]

Oh dear Lord, why can't we just stay the hell out of this one...

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Oh dear Lord, why can't we just stay the hell out of this one...

Unfortunately, we already have intervened, and there's isn't a pure "do nothing" option available to us. Our government, on our behalf, has got to take a stance of either recognising an independent Kosovo, or not recognising it. I'm afraid there's no way of hanging up a sign saying "Gone for Lunch - Be Back Soon".

 

[Mise]

Unfortunately, we already have intervened, and there's isn't a pure "do nothing" option available to us. Our government, on our behalf, has got to take a stance of either recognising an independent Kosovo, or not recognising it. I'm afraid there's no way of hanging up a sign saying "Gone for Lunch - Be Back Soon".

Well, my solution (and I haven't read the thread you talked of previously) would be to treat it as an independent nation, but not officially recognise it as such. I can't remember where exactly, but I'm sure we do something similar for other "nations".

That way, we can tell Kosovo, "well so what if you're not officially a country, you're treated as one anyway, so there's no real difference," before whispering in Putin's ear, "yeah we don't really mean that - they're not really a country."

 

[Winner]

Of course! West Albania, North Albania, Just-Northeast-ofWest-Albania Albania, Albania Classic and the Alban republic....

Time to get reasonable and figure out that different people can live in the same country...

Not in Balkans, unless they have an undemocratic government to keep them in line. As I said, for Westerners, it is wery hard to get into this Balkan mentality.

 

[Winner]

That was hundreds of years ago...

I agree with you, but that's not a very good argument.

Explain that to Serbs.

It's like if some entity moved to Washington D.C., gained majority after few generations and then started an ethnic cleansing in order to annex it. That's how Serbs see that.

 

[Winner]

Interesting way of labeling muslims Mein Fuhrer

And very accurate

 

[Winner]

While I agree with the fact that violence on the part of separatists is wrong, one must also realize who usually starts the violence. The government in response to popular sentiment. Let me say this, violence to achieve secession is wrong, but when a group is getting attacked because of wanting to secede, are they going to just sit around and do nothing? Jesus, the situation is so complicated in that region, I obviously don't have all the answers, but let me say this, I would recognize Kosovo, and continue to have UN and NATO troops in the region to prevent as many hiccups as possible. Is a potential transfer of populations between Serbia and Kosovo possible? In which minority serbs leave for Serbia and minority Albanians leave for Kosovo? Yes it is, and a historical precedent exists in the separation of Pakistan and India.

Another historical precendt is Bosnia, and I think we came to conclusion it is not politically correct to expel people form their homes because of their ethnicity.

Anyway, it is a very efficient way of solving problems, see the Sudetenland example.

In Kosovo, there was a good will on the Serb side (they had given them an autonomy, which was taken back by Milosevic after some nationalist problems), the problem is the Albanians refuse to talk about any other solution. They're totally pigheaded and it obviously works: Western diplomats are so scared of this they're gonna give them what they want. It's nothing but extortion.

 

[Winner]

Kosovo would be a drug state.

Don't forget people smuggling, that's another important part of the Kosovo's economy...

 

[Winner]

Well, my solution (and I haven't read the thread you talked of previously) would be to treat it as an independent nation, but not officially recognise it as such. I can't remember where exactly, but I'm sure we do something similar for other "nations".

That way, we can tell Kosovo, "well so what if you're not officially a country, you're treated as one anyway, so there's no real difference," before whispering in Putin's ear, "yeah we don't really mean that - they're not really a country."

That will not work for the Albanians.

 

[Pannonius]

Don't forget people smuggling, that's another important part of the Kosovo's economy...

Yes, +arms smuggling+islamic terrorism+tobbaco smuggling and so on and so on...
These guys are infatuated with criminal.

 

[warpus]

Explain that to Serbs.

It's like if some entity moved to Washington D.C., gained majority after few generations and then started an ethnic cleansing in order to annex it. That's how Serbs see that.

But the exact same thing happened around Washington D.C. in a similar time frame - the English came and displaced the local natives, in order to annex the area.

 

[Virote_Considon]

In my mind there is no independent Kosovo, and even if they gain international recognition, I will never see them as independent.

Yes it is, and a historical precedent exists in the separation of Pakistan and India.

And a few wars later, the relationship between these two nations is only frosty! truly the best idea