JujuLautre
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I love this expressionalso, i consider financial leaders space-race junkies.

Yep, I understood that perfectly. I should have written "TWO valid points" in y commentsJujuLautre i believe the following comment by uberfish meant to point out that it is *worse* for a non-financial leader to switch from free speech/US -> to something else because for a financial leader cottages dont need the civics to be as effective as for non-financial leaders.

I did not wish to discuss the use of spiritual compared to other traits, but its (I think) lack of interaction with financial. Considering this, I don't feel the changes made to spiritual have any incidence here.First: I hear the game is completely different - new techs, new wonders, new traits and new units - this renders me unable to properly decide if spiritual is still as nice as in Vanilla.
Percy did it, thanks to himSecond: Explain "turns you don't whip", please?![]()
Actually I think my problems is here. I have absolutely no problems to switch civics when running high specialists, but I have when running cottages. And actually, why should I have? I have to plan more carefullyI think the OP has a basic assumption: if you are a financial leader you are "forced" to cottage, and if you cottage a lot you don't want to change civics. I believe this assumption is simply not right.
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I don't see why being financial you have to be stuck with US/free speech/emancipation. So because you play philosophical leader and use specialist economy you have to be stuck with representation, caste, pacifism? The reality is regardless you are using CE or SE, sometimes the situations will dictate you on using the secondary civics (e.g. when war weariness too high, you need police state).

Very valid argument, thanks for providing itIn fact, it is because there is a relatively optimal civic combo for a particular playing style you want to switch back to this combo whenever possible, and this process is made smooth playing a spiritual leader.
Yep, I did not deny thisMansa is a top tier leader.

Finally, it seems everyone agrees on the uses of spiritual I provided, and that's good news to me: it seems I'm not *that* hopeless. Just that I should try to show more flexibility when cottaging

About the temporary jump to caste/pacifism able with Mansa+cottaging, do you do it only for your GP farm? Or do you usually dedicate one or two other cities to be able to make the jump, basically, creating other GP farms?