Math02: 100K with limited cities
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MeteorPunch
#WINNING
A Conquistador pillaging army is something I've always wanted to try...maybe we'll be able to do that.
I had a nice idea. Get peace with Viks or Persia (whichever will do it cheapest), then ally the peaceful one against the other. I always do this in my single player games...let them tear each other apart. The only possible consequence for this game is if one started to dominate the other, in which case, we could help the weaker on out a little bit.
I had a nice idea. Get peace with Viks or Persia (whichever will do it cheapest), then ally the peaceful one against the other. I always do this in my single player games...let them tear each other apart. The only possible consequence for this game is if one started to dominate the other, in which case, we could help the weaker on out a little bit.
When you say get peace than ally with the other are you meaning a MA? Sorry, I have always been confused on how to get AI's to fight each other without getting onvolved myself.
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
Yeah, a MA. Since they are neighbors, 97% of the fighting will be over there, killing each other and whatnot. We would only have a few invasion ships ever reach us.
We can keep this war between them going until the end of the game to slow them down...in fact starting a "fake war" with Maya vs. Ottos would be nice too.
...just for fun.
We can keep this war between them going until the end of the game to slow them down...in fact starting a "fake war" with Maya vs. Ottos would be nice too.
...just for fun.
Looking at the save:
Both the Ottomans and the Vikings have planted a city on our continent. Since were at war with the Vikings I suggest we raze that city immediately. I also suggest we position units near the coast to keep the other AIs off our continent.
Barcelona needs to start a pre-build for a stock exchange. The other 60+ spt cities need to start their pre-build next turn.
Persia is willing to sign peace for 20 gold. The Vikings are willing to for 100 gold. I see no reason not too.
Another option is the Vikings are willing to sign peace and a MA versus the Persians for around 575 gold. The Persians are willing to sign peace and a MA versus the Vikings for around 525 gold. Both Persia and the Vikings are the two toughest AIs so it could be very beneficial.
America is still 2nd in the culture race so we seem to be fine there.
Both the Ottomans and the Vikings have planted a city on our continent. Since were at war with the Vikings I suggest we raze that city immediately. I also suggest we position units near the coast to keep the other AIs off our continent.
Barcelona needs to start a pre-build for a stock exchange. The other 60+ spt cities need to start their pre-build next turn.
Persia is willing to sign peace for 20 gold. The Vikings are willing to for 100 gold. I see no reason not too.
Another option is the Vikings are willing to sign peace and a MA versus the Persians for around 575 gold. The Persians are willing to sign peace and a MA versus the Vikings for around 525 gold. Both Persia and the Vikings are the two toughest AIs so it could be very beneficial.
America is still 2nd in the culture race so we seem to be fine there.
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
we could also give a tech instead if we go the MA route.
True, in fact originally one of the AI's wanted Sanitation and the other wanted Steam Power (I think). I figured with the money we're making we'd go cash instead. Don't really know which is better.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? IMO I believe going the MA route would be best and just hope that one of them doesn't get the upper hand.
@Mathias: Let me know if you're taking it or else I'll play when I wake up this afternoon.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this? IMO I believe going the MA route would be best and just hope that one of them doesn't get the upper hand.
@Mathias: Let me know if you're taking it or else I'll play when I wake up this afternoon.
Go ahead with it, Methos. I'm a little busy getting ready for this weekend. I'll play tomorrow morning or early afternoon.
Scandinavia vs Persia sounds like a good idea. I would get peace with Persia, then ally with them against the Vikings. These MUST be on separate trades. Paying with gold would be preferable.
We are importing luxuries from both the Mayans and the Ottomans. Neither are anywhere near becoming even a potential threat. Let them live in peace.
Scandinavia vs Persia sounds like a good idea. I would get peace with Persia, then ally with them against the Vikings. These MUST be on separate trades. Paying with gold would be preferable.
We are importing luxuries from both the Mayans and the Ottomans. Neither are anywhere near becoming even a potential threat. Let them live in peace.
Pre-Turn: Do a little trading:
Persia: We get peace; we give 20 gold
Persia: We get MA versus the Vikings; we give 546 gold
Barcelona switches to Hydro plant (pre-build for stock).
IT: Viking frigate flees.
1@1355 AD: Our frigate dies attacking a Vikings frigate. Seville, Toledo, Santiago, Murcia, and Madrid all switch to pre-builds for Stock.
IT: America and Persia sign an MA against the Vikings. Korea and America sign peace with each other.
2@1360 AD: Elite cav takes out berserker, loses 1 hp. Vikings are ready to talk peace so I send a small force up to their city on our landmass for, uh, talks.
IT: Viking horsy takes our American slave who was wondering around in Korea.
3@1365 AD: I talk with the Viking city of Batsfjord.
Send one of our armies to take out their horsy.
4@1370 AD: Zzzz
IT: Korea gives territory map and 3 gold for our territory map.
Corporation>Refining. We switch everyone except Valencia to Stock Exchange.
IT: Madrid Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Seville Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Toledo Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Santiago Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Murcia Stock Exchange>Civil Defense.
5@1375 AD: Vet cav falls to elite vik ac. Another vet cav finishes elite vik ac. (Whoops, didnt realize it was an elite).
IT: Barcelona Stock Exchange>Civil Defense.
6@1380 AD: Move our trebs down and throw a few stones at some passing vik ships. Follow up with our own ships and sink a galley and a frigate.
IT: Vik ships land two ancient cavs, a berserker, and a horseman off of Valencia.
Seville Civil Defense>Wall Street. Toledo Civil Defense>Infantry. Santiago Civil Defense>Arty. Murcia CD>Infantry.
7@1385 AD: Throw some stones. Our army takes out a berserker and two ancient cavs. Our elite cav takes out the horse. Upgrade nine muskets to infantry.
IT: Madrid CD>Frigate.
8@1390 AD: Upgrade our trebs. Due a little bombarding on a vik elite ship than attack with one of our elite frigates and get sunk! Finish the 1 hp vik ship with a galleon.
9@1395 AD: Zzzz
10@1400 AD: Shoot some arty at a vik ship than take it out with our elite frigate.
Note: There is one large stack of slaves on the mountain (40) just relaxing. I would suggest maybe moving them to Salamanca and begin converting some of the watered tiles to mines. Salamanca is at pop 21 and growing rapidly. I also have 3 stacks of workers (12 each) spread out in our territory for clearing pollution. They are not on auto as I prefer to do it manually. On average Id say pollution every other turn. I had one each the first two turns than three on the third turn. Nothing since.
Im switched several scientist to taxmen so we dont waste beakers. Make sure to change them back once Refining is learned (next turn).
The Vikings have been sending ships our way rather often so I suggest using the arty to bombard them from the coast than finish them off with our own fleet.
Sorry about my notes. Towards the end I quit noting what city built what. Currently everything is on wealth except Seville which is building Wall Street.
Persia: We get peace; we give 20 gold
Persia: We get MA versus the Vikings; we give 546 gold
Barcelona switches to Hydro plant (pre-build for stock).
IT: Viking frigate flees.
1@1355 AD: Our frigate dies attacking a Vikings frigate. Seville, Toledo, Santiago, Murcia, and Madrid all switch to pre-builds for Stock.
IT: America and Persia sign an MA against the Vikings. Korea and America sign peace with each other.
2@1360 AD: Elite cav takes out berserker, loses 1 hp. Vikings are ready to talk peace so I send a small force up to their city on our landmass for, uh, talks.
IT: Viking horsy takes our American slave who was wondering around in Korea.
3@1365 AD: I talk with the Viking city of Batsfjord.
Send one of our armies to take out their horsy.
4@1370 AD: Zzzz
IT: Korea gives territory map and 3 gold for our territory map.
Corporation>Refining. We switch everyone except Valencia to Stock Exchange.
IT: Madrid Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Seville Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Toledo Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Santiago Stock Exchange>Civil Defense. Murcia Stock Exchange>Civil Defense.
5@1375 AD: Vet cav falls to elite vik ac. Another vet cav finishes elite vik ac. (Whoops, didnt realize it was an elite).
IT: Barcelona Stock Exchange>Civil Defense.
6@1380 AD: Move our trebs down and throw a few stones at some passing vik ships. Follow up with our own ships and sink a galley and a frigate.
IT: Vik ships land two ancient cavs, a berserker, and a horseman off of Valencia.
Seville Civil Defense>Wall Street. Toledo Civil Defense>Infantry. Santiago Civil Defense>Arty. Murcia CD>Infantry.
7@1385 AD: Throw some stones. Our army takes out a berserker and two ancient cavs. Our elite cav takes out the horse. Upgrade nine muskets to infantry.
IT: Madrid CD>Frigate.
8@1390 AD: Upgrade our trebs. Due a little bombarding on a vik elite ship than attack with one of our elite frigates and get sunk! Finish the 1 hp vik ship with a galleon.
9@1395 AD: Zzzz
10@1400 AD: Shoot some arty at a vik ship than take it out with our elite frigate.
Note: There is one large stack of slaves on the mountain (40) just relaxing. I would suggest maybe moving them to Salamanca and begin converting some of the watered tiles to mines. Salamanca is at pop 21 and growing rapidly. I also have 3 stacks of workers (12 each) spread out in our territory for clearing pollution. They are not on auto as I prefer to do it manually. On average Id say pollution every other turn. I had one each the first two turns than three on the third turn. Nothing since.
Im switched several scientist to taxmen so we dont waste beakers. Make sure to change them back once Refining is learned (next turn).
The Vikings have been sending ships our way rather often so I suggest using the arty to bombard them from the coast than finish them off with our own fleet.
Sorry about my notes. Towards the end I quit noting what city built what. Currently everything is on wealth except Seville which is building Wall Street.
pindicator
Emperor
No worries, Methos. I can understand being a little sloppy in this game with how well set up we are. But, uh, care to post the save? 
Mathias, if you want to jump in here with your turn, go right ahead.
Mathias, if you want to jump in here with your turn, go right ahead.
I don't think we should turn irrigation to mines: research has higher priority then production now (we need to get to modern age wonders quickly), let's have more scientists. We may build some mines once we are modern to build those wonders.
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
Obormot said:
During my turnset, I tried to build more mines that irrigation in an effort to keep the city size @ 21 and maximize production. Granted most of the production was turned into wealth, which in turn boosted the science slider.
It's hard to say if reIrrigating things would have that big of an impact, it probably couldn't cut too many turns of science, but to me it would be annoying to reIrrigate, and then mine again in the MA.
Wealth is 4 to 1 before Economics, 2 to 1 after economics. A mine gives 2 shields (with railroad) which is increased by a factory and power plant to give us 4 shields (converted to 2 gold with wealth). Irrigation would instead give us two food, supporting a specialist to give us 2 gold, 3 beakers, 2 shields, or +1 base shield and +1 base commerce (the effect of a policeman on corruption and waste).
The cities which are not going to build the modern wonders should be maxed out in population. Those that will build the wonders need to have production suitable for the task.
I've got it. Will report this evening.
The cities which are not going to build the modern wonders should be maxed out in population. Those that will build the wonders need to have production suitable for the task.
I've got it. Will report this evening.
1400 BC (0)
Get workers moving
Army heads for Hammerfest
IT:Hittes offer map trade, we accept
Refining >> Steel
1405 BC (1)
Raze Hammerfest
IT: Madrid Frigate >> Wealth
Seville Wall Street >> Wealth
Salamanca Friggate >> Civil Defense
1410 BC (2)
IT: Incense deal expired
1415 BC (3)
Get Nationalism + Silks from Persia for Steam Power + Gems + 50 gold
Renew our incense deal, giving Navigation
Find that native worker mingling with the slaves, and send him to Seville
IT: Persia demands Sanitation, declares war when I refuse. Whatever.
Valencia Hoover Dam >> Stock Exchange
1420 BC (4)
IT: Korea-Persia embargo against us.
Steel >> Combustion
1425 BC (5)
Armies kill a Persian cavalry and four immortals near former site of Hammerfest
Bombard, sink Viking boat
IT: Salamanca Civil Defense >> Wealth
Spice deal expires
1430 BC (6)
Osman would like saltpeter for spices - deal.
IT: America and Scandinavia sign peace treaty
Valencia Stock Exchange >> Civil Defense
1435 BC (7)
The Vikings give us 23 gold (their entire treasury) for peace
Give them gems and 280 gold for dyes and ivory
Madrid and Salamanca begin prebuilding Destroyers
1440 BC (8)
IT: Valencia Civil Defense >> Worker
1445 BC (9)
IT: Combustion >> Mass Production
Valencia Worker >> Wealth
1450 BC (10)
Worker from Valencia joins Seville
Valencia is at size 20 with maximum production of 90 shields per turn, just shy of the 91 needed for 11-turn modern wonders. A police station will get us there. Toledo and/or Murcia could also be set up for high production
Madrid and Salamanca are at 32 shields per turn for 3-turn destroyers or 5-turns cruisers. Prebuild commercial docks next turn.
Our four galleons can be upgraded to transports for 150 gold each. If we want to build more transports, we would need to increase production so that we could build one in three turns.
Scandinavia is again second in culture, currently generating 164 culture per turn. That's about 56% of our 293 culture per turn. Assuming that these rates don't change, it would take us 222 turns to reach 100K and the Vikings 224 turns to reach 50K. New culture and culture doubling will of course affect this. Persia seems to have the upper hand in the war, so I'm not too concerned with Scandinavian culture. We should still start building tanks...
To keep our workers busy, we can clear the jungles and plant forests in the unused areas of our territory.
Get workers moving
Army heads for Hammerfest
IT:Hittes offer map trade, we accept
Refining >> Steel
1405 BC (1)
Raze Hammerfest
IT: Madrid Frigate >> Wealth
Seville Wall Street >> Wealth
Salamanca Friggate >> Civil Defense
1410 BC (2)
IT: Incense deal expired
1415 BC (3)
Get Nationalism + Silks from Persia for Steam Power + Gems + 50 gold
Renew our incense deal, giving Navigation
Find that native worker mingling with the slaves, and send him to Seville
IT: Persia demands Sanitation, declares war when I refuse. Whatever.
Valencia Hoover Dam >> Stock Exchange
1420 BC (4)
IT: Korea-Persia embargo against us.
Steel >> Combustion
1425 BC (5)
Armies kill a Persian cavalry and four immortals near former site of Hammerfest
Bombard, sink Viking boat
IT: Salamanca Civil Defense >> Wealth
Spice deal expires
1430 BC (6)
Osman would like saltpeter for spices - deal.
IT: America and Scandinavia sign peace treaty
Valencia Stock Exchange >> Civil Defense
1435 BC (7)
The Vikings give us 23 gold (their entire treasury) for peace
Give them gems and 280 gold for dyes and ivory
Madrid and Salamanca begin prebuilding Destroyers
1440 BC (8)
IT: Valencia Civil Defense >> Worker
1445 BC (9)
IT: Combustion >> Mass Production
Valencia Worker >> Wealth
1450 BC (10)
Worker from Valencia joins Seville
Valencia is at size 20 with maximum production of 90 shields per turn, just shy of the 91 needed for 11-turn modern wonders. A police station will get us there. Toledo and/or Murcia could also be set up for high production
Madrid and Salamanca are at 32 shields per turn for 3-turn destroyers or 5-turns cruisers. Prebuild commercial docks next turn.
Our four galleons can be upgraded to transports for 150 gold each. If we want to build more transports, we would need to increase production so that we could build one in three turns.
Scandinavia is again second in culture, currently generating 164 culture per turn. That's about 56% of our 293 culture per turn. Assuming that these rates don't change, it would take us 222 turns to reach 100K and the Vikings 224 turns to reach 50K. New culture and culture doubling will of course affect this. Persia seems to have the upper hand in the war, so I'm not too concerned with Scandinavian culture. We should still start building tanks...
To keep our workers busy, we can clear the jungles and plant forests in the unused areas of our territory.
pindicator
Emperor
Obormot, why don't you switch with me here. I've got a thing this weekend and won't be able to play until Sunday evening. Just so we keep this thing moving along 
MeteorPunch
#WINNING
Our culture cities by rank:Methos said:
1. Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Seville
4. Toledo
5. Murcia
6. Salamanca
7. Santiago
8. Valencia
Seems the bottom three should gear up for production. I'll play tonight/morning.
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