Math04: Another 100K

ToE: Atomic Theory is the single most-expensive industrial-age tech. Electronics is a second most-expensive, and gives us a wonder. The only way to get more expensive techs with ToE is to pull modern techs with it.

Build granaries? I intend to capture Cuzco...
 
nerovats said:
I asume cuzco has the piramids, then we´ll have to raze it, for it gives culture.
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Definitely do not raze it. Remember that when you capture a wonder it does not produce culture. You only get culture when you build the wonder. We would still get the granary benefit.
 
Ill be out of town until friday. Going to a friends house and to a Detroit Tigers baseball game. Please skip me until then. Sorry for the trouble.
 
Methos said:
Definitely do not raze it. Remember that when you capture a wonder it does not produce culture. You only get culture when you build the wonder. We would still get the granary benefit.
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yet another lesson learned :)
 
840 AD (-1)
Switch Calcutta to Palace, prebuild for US
Switch a couple of builds to settlers, and several to cannons.
Rush 4 cannons near the front
Steam Power in 5 turns at 100%

IT: Bangalore Newton's >> Courthouse

850 AD (0)
WE kills Mortal, 1-0
Crus kills Mortal, 2-0
WE dies on Mace, 2-1
WE kills Mace, 3-1

IT: WE kills Mortal, promotes, 4-1

860 AD (1)
WE kills Knight, 5-1
Crus dies on Archer, 5-2
WE kills Archer, 6-2

New Madras founded
New Bangalore founded

IT: WE retreats from Longbow
WE Kills AC, 7-2
WE dies on Knight, 7-3

870 AD (2)
WE kills Knight, 8-3
Bomb Longbow red
E.Horse kills Longbow, 9-3
E.WE kills Longbow, 10-3
Army kills Mace, 11-3

IT:WE kills Knight, 12-3

880 AD (3)
WE kills Mortal, 13-3
WE kills Mortal, 14-3
IT: WE kills Longbow, Mace, 16-3
Steam Power >> Industrialization (5 turns at 100%, -93 gpt)
HG obsolete, 4 towns riot

890 AD (4)
Coal is outside Chittagong, will send slave for colony
Cancel ally vs Persia, sign peace with Persia. We get world map.
Lux 10% Sci 80% Ind in 6
Bomb Machu Pichu - at least 3 muskets defending, 2 of them vet
Army kills musket, -2 hp, 17-3
Army kills musket, -6 hp, 18-3
Crus kills musket, capture Machu Pichu and 2 slaves, 19-3

WE kills Mace, 20-3
WE kills Mace, 21-3
WE kills Mace, 22-3
E.WE kills Longbow, 23-3
New Calcutta founded

900 AD (5)
Tiwanaku:
WE retreats from Musket
WE dies on Musket, 23-4
WE kills Musket, 24-4

WE kills Longbow, 25-4

IT: Chinese Pikes enter our territory

910 AD (6)
Ask China to leave, they say they will
WE kills Musket, captures Tiwanaku, 26-4
E.WE kills Longbow, 27-4
WE kills Longbow, promotes, 28-4

IT: WE retreats from Mace

920 AD (7)
Demand that China leave - they do
Bomb Ollantaytambo - 4 Muskets
Army kills 3 Muskets, -9 hp total, 31-4
E.WE kills Musket, captures Ollantaytambo and 2 slaves, 32-4
Colonize coal

IT: Persia declares war on China!
New peace treaty with Byzantines

930 AD (8)
Bomb Mace red, kill with E.Horse, 33-4
Cancel alliances vs Inca

940 AD (9)
IT: Inca and China sign peace treaty
Industrialization >> Medicine (5 turns at 80%)
Switch prebuilds to factories, Calcutta to factory with no waste, but some overrun. This will improve US by at least one turn.
Calcutta Factory >> Universal Suffrage

950 AD (10)
Bomb Cuzco - 3 vet and 2 reg muskets, one vet is not fortified
WE dies, 33-5
WE dies, 33-6
WE kills, 34-6
WE kills, promotes, 35-6
WE dies, 35-7
E.Crus dies, promoting musket to elite, 35-8
E.WE kills the now-elite musket, 36-8
Two reg muskets remain

Next turn, capture Cuzco, then march on Huamanga (for Leo's). War weariness is becoming an issue, we need to make it swift. We don't really need Leo's, so peace after we take Cuzco is just as well, if not better.

China has money. It may be best, for now, to take their money and stay at peace, as they are not much of a threat.

A lot of towns are still building cannons. Change any or all of them as you see fit.

Coal Plant is good prebuild for hospitals. Since Madras doesn't need a hospital, we can prebuild Battlefield Medicine there. Just get that fifth hospital in one of our other cities. Indus, perhaps?

Set up a few worker factories so we can join workers to our culture cities. Kolhapur and Pune can be set up with just a few railroads.
 
Pre-Turn:
China: We get World Map, 61 gpt, and 112 gold; we give Free Artistry
960 AD: Capture Cuzco and now own Sistine Chapel and the Pyramids.
970 AD: New Lahore founded.
990 AD: Capture Huamanga and Leonardo’s Workshop.
Inca: We get World Map and the city of Tzintzuntzen; we give peace.

-In the peace deal with Inca I took the city in the deal as it was Inca’s only source of Iron.

Sorry, when I came back to this I forgot to write out the rest of the turnset. We've learned Sanitation and am working on Electricity. Delhi and another city have hospitals with a 3rd finished this turn. I'm wondering if we should swap Calcutta to either a hospital or factory and finish US later.

The save
 
Calcutta already has a factory, and 335 shields in the box. Hospital only cost 160. Still wondering? :crazyeye:

We need to trade for Military Tradition, and can put lux back to 0%.

Bangalore needs to start growing and begin prebuild for ToE. We'll have Scientific Method in 9 turns. ToE can be built in 14 turns. This will give us 5 turns to pick up Replaceable Parts after Scientific Method.

Pune needs another railroad, then it will be a 2-turn worker factory at size 4. Bombay looks nice as a 3-turn worker factory, just needs MM every 3rd turn. Kolhapur can also be a 2-turn worker factory at size 4, needs two more railroads. I suggest switching Kolhapur to a settler, complete this turn. The more workers we build, the sooner all of our rails will be done. At that point, we can join most, if not all, of the natives to our towns and cities and keep the slaves for clean-up duties.

We can build hospitals in Hyderabad (8 turns, 380 gold to rush now) and Jaipur (14 turns, 420 gold to rush now) to allow us to build Battlefield Medicine.
 
Im back from out of town and have to say its looking better then when i left. :)
 
Kept peace so not a lot to mention, got couple of ducts to reduce unit support.

pre-turn
switch hyderabad to hospital, don't need hostital in Indus->bank
sell magetism to inca's for MT, WM, 13gpt, 30 gold
sell it to china too, to make sure we get their gold, for WM 1 gpt and 80 gold
sell banking to america for WM 11 gpt 30 gold (they need banks so they can pay us more). Wait with otehr civs because they don't have gold now.
increase science to 100% we're now making some money too.
rush hospital in hyderabad and lahore to be able to take a city out of wealth.
1060AD
aparently misclikked in lahore needs another turn for hospital
rush hosptial in jaiopur too, since calcutta doesn't have one yet.
set delhi to military academy
1070AD
change lahore to battlefield medicine
1090AD
lower science to 10%
1100AD
science back to 90% to get scientific method in 4
1130AD
take science down again
1140AD
change the builds around:
bangalore to ToE due in 4
delhi to palace due in 16
madras to military academy due in 10
(lahore has 5 left on batlle filed, calcutta 2 on US)
sell steam to china for WM, 21 gpt 90 gold
sell navigation to babylon for WM, 16gpt and 20 gold

win date still at 2093AD since no culture was build, should improve next turnset.
We might want to gift the ai several techs to speed up research, we're gona get all IA wonders, let them help to advance to MA faster. For example they could reseach espionage for us.
 
Roster
Mathias = on deck
BigNHuge
Methos
nerovats = just played
namliaM = up
 
Preturn
Have a look around, looks ok
Set sci to 90% Still in 4

IT Persians destroyed the americans
US Done in Calcutta> Hospital

1160AD
Demand Aztecs leave. They do.
Build rails a lot

IT

1180AD
Change a few Cav builds to cannons

IT Replacable parts in> Atomic theory
ToE Done> AT> Electronics> Corporation
Bangalore Infantry
Lahore Battlefield Medicine> Infantry

1190AD
Rush hospital in Lake West
Rush the Duct in Necaea

1200AD
Nada much

1210AD
Start some hydro/Coal plants as prebuilds for Stock Exchanges

IT Palace improve

1220AD
Sci 70%

IT Corporation> Steel
Score 1 scientific leader: Brahmagupta (keep him for UN ? Or Seti?)

1230AD
Sci 100 => Assigning a *few* scientists to make Steel in 4

IT Madras Mil acadamy> Stock Exchange

1240AD
More Railing....

IT Delhi Hooverdam> Stock Exchange
Palace Improve

1250AD
yet More Railing.... Nearly done :)


Handover
Calcutta has a stock exchange, so does Bangalore
Delhi, Lahore and Madras will finish one in the next 4 (Delhi is the last one)
I put Bangalore on a Palace to pre-build Wall Street
4 turns @ 68spt = ~280, Wallstreet = 300
Bangalore can be MMed to 76

I created a few Scientists... Indus is at 0 food (pop capped anyway) and has 5 scientist (just as an example)
There are others around to keep Steel ASAP (4 Turns research)
MM the researchers to get a as low as possible overrun, Currently we are running at -100 gpt or something like that... We may want/need to strike some deals with... Byzantines or the Economic power in the game China.
Draw some GPT from them... To pay for our upkeep.
I think we are a bit high on Unit support too.... A war may be nice....
Maybe one vs Persia? They are closest in culture, but on the other side of the lands. Taking on (easy) inca or byzantines will give us more lands => More cities => More support => More scientists.

There are 2 spots of polution near Lahore!

China and Inca have reached the IA

Research: Beeline for Computers for Research labs (2cpt per city)
Or go for Fission to get UN (4cpt) and Manhattan (2cpt)

No culture other than that near.

100K in 2077 accoording to CAII, but still quite some wonders and builds to double their culture.
Examples: Coloseum (260AD), JS bachs (570AD) and Newt (840AD) in Bangalore for a total of 14cpt
And Bangalore is allready the earliest win for 25K: 2011
But the limit actually is 30k right? But just for good measure, should we build Wall street in bangalore?
Maybe better in Lahore or so...
Lahore will finish Stock Exchange next turn. Can start the pre-build right afterward. With 56 spt it can easy finish in 6 turns.. If MMed I think that can go down to 5
Tho this may mean running at -1 or -2 food...

Ze Zave
Roster
Mathias = Up
BigNHuge => on Deck
Methos
nerovats
namliaM = just Railed
 
CAII estimated win dates include all doubling of existing buildings. The only thing not included is culture not yet built. CAII single-city estimate is for 20K, not 25K. Even with Wall Street, Bangalore should be less than 25K at 2050.

Computers gives us 13 cpt in new culture, Fission only 6 new, so we definitely want Computers first. Dependant upon research capacity, we may want to get Minaturization before Fission. The thought here is if we can pick up both techs while we prebuild the Fission wonders, getting Minaturization first will allow us to use The Internet as a prebuild for Longevity or Cure for Cancer a few turns sooner. That's still about 30 turns out though.

Got it, will play this evening.

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Dont research labs have culture also?
 
Yes, 5 labs plus SETI is 13 cpt. If you were refering to The Internet, we aren't building it.
 
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