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Mattewthegreat's RPC: Frederick the Organized II!

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by matthewthegreat, May 14, 2008.

  1. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    This is a replay of my first try at Frederick the Organized which ended in a horrible loss. I learned my lesson and ready to try again.

    Frederick believes a small but organized empire can be better then a Larger but unorganized empire. In this RPC we will try to specialize our cities as much as possible. Each City will have it’s own specific purpose and have it’s own rules. Lets see the power of city specialization!

    Empire-wide Rules:

    1. Must acquire 7 cities and try to keep them through out the game he must not control more then 7 cities. Any cities he captures in addition to the 7 cities must be razed. Each city must be specialized via the city rules below.

    2.He must adopt Universal Suffrage as soon as it is available and must remain in this civic for the rest of the game.

    3.No slavery!!! He want his cities to grow big. He also doesn’t like slave revolts (very unorganized) if he wants something rushed he will pay for it.

    4. Must found at least 1 corporation the HQ(s) must be in the gold city.

    5.Must start at least 3 Golden Ages if we build the Taj we will try to start 4 GA’s

    City Rules:

    We will have 7 different types of cities each city has it’s own special set of rules. Below is a list of the 7 different cities and the rules for each are in the spoilers. So please read all of the spoilers in this post;).

    Production City :hammers:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: unless it is to acquire a resource all squares in the BFC must produce at least 1 :hammers:! So farms next to rivers are allowed if I plan to build a levee. No cottages!
    National wonders: Iron Works must be built in this city
    Buildings: This is the only city that may build a Industrial Park.
    Specialist: engineers and priest are the only specialist that may be ran in this city.
    Great people: GE and prophets are the only GP that may be settled in this city.
    Requirements: Must be the #1 producer of :hammers:when not building military units in the German Empire


    Military City :strength:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: Any improvement is acceptable although a high # of :hammers: is our goal so we should improve our land accordantly.
    National wonders: Heroic Epic must be built in this city
    Buildings: This is the only city that may build a Military Academy.
    Specialist: engineers and priest are the only specialist that may be ran in this city.
    Great people: Great Generals are the only GP that may be settled in this city.


    Gold City :gold:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: mostly cottages and farms.
    National wonders: Wall Street must be built in this city.
    Buildings: This is the only city that may build a market. All corporations we found must have the HQ in this city.
    Specialist: merchants and priest are the only specialist that may be ran in this city.
    Great people: GM, GA and prophets are the only GP that may be settled in this city.
    Requirements: Must be the #1 producer of :gold: in the German Empire


    Science City :science:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: mostly cottages.
    National wonders: Oxford University must be built in this city.
    Buildings: This is the only city that may build a academy .
    Specialist: Scientists and artists are the only specialist that may be ran in this city
    Great people: Great Scientists is the only GP that may be settled in this city
    Requirements: Must be the #1 producer of :science: in the German Empire


    Great person farm :gp:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: unless it is to acquire a resource only farms, windmills and a few mines may be built in the BFC. No cottages!
    National wonders: National Epic must be built in this city.
    Specialist: any specialist may be ran in this city
    Great people: GP may not be settled in this city
    Requirements: Must be the #1 producer of :gp: in the German Empire


    Espionage city :espionage:

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: any Improvement may be built in the BFC
    Buildings: This is the only city that may build a intelligence agency and Scotland Yards
    Specialist: only spies may be ran in this city
    Great people: Only great spies may be settled in this city
    Requirements: Must be the #1 producer of :espionage: in the German Empire


    National park city

    Spoiler :

    Improvements: Unless it is to acquire a resource no forest or jungle may be chopped!! There must be at least 3 forest preserves in the BFC. No cottages!
    National wonders: National park must be built in this city.
    Specialist: any specialist may be ran in this city
    Great people: any GP may be settled in this city


    Victories:
    Any victory is acceptable, of course, domination will not be possible because we can only have 7 cities.

    Settings:

    This time aggressive AI is turned off.



    The Start:

    This is a random map with random civs and is the first map I got.



    I think my capital looks like a good spot for my Production City!

    I hope this will be both fun and education. Fred’s Philosophical trait is great for this considering we have to start 3-4 GA’s and found at least 1 corporation.

    I’m a prince player that some times play at monarch but still finds prince a challenge. I will usually play a round in this RPC about every 1-4 days.
     

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  2. Commodore Nate

    Commodore Nate Warlord

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    Good luck! Hopefully you won't get dogpiled in this one :)
     
  3. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    Better luck this time! :D
     
  4. Frederick0100

    Frederick0100 Chieftain

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    Yeah there better be some nicer people this time!
    I'd settle where you are, grab the goody hut, explore to the NE and see if there are more resources to settle the next city by the wheat.
     
  5. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 1: 4000BC - 70AD

    Well this game sure started better! I have much more agreeable neighbors and aggressive AI turned off make them even nicer!

    Tech: Masonry - fishing - BW - Mysticism -priesthood - AH - writing - agriculture - sailing - COL - math - part of calendar

    4000BC I settle in place. My cap is definitely my production city. I did the math and I have enough food to feed my city but I have to build the Moai Statues so the sea tiles produce hammers

    3925BC we meet Darius I. lol he is a lot better then the last Persian I seen!



    but he is way too close! I think I must kill him.



    3675BC I meet Hatshepsut. I happier to see her then I was to see Cathy in the last game



    3625BC popped a goody hut and got the wheel

    3175BC Hammurabi who is know as the most reasonable of the aggressive AIs



    2475BC I complete the GW



    1750BC I complete the Oracle and take MC



    1650BC this is my first city and I make this my science city



    I got my first GSpy

    1525BC - 1200BC over the course of these turns I end up signing a open borders with all the known AIs

    1050BC I get this quest. I going to get 7 cities so this quest is doable



    725BC another GSpy

    700BC This is my next city and I make it my espionage city. The next turn I settle one of the GSpys and build the Scotland yards for a instant 24 EPs



    575BC I make these three trades and I revolt to HR







    380BC too bad it’s too later to change my espionage city into my gold city because I just founded Confucianism in that city.

    335BC here is the most powerful…



    215AD The time has come to kill Darius. It’s not so much I don’t like him but he has good land and he is way, way too close.



    185BC I raze Susa. I didn’t like it’s location because it had too much overlapping (very unorganized). I might settle just a tile away from the ruins. (I forgot the screen shot)

    125BC I take the Capital city. I can’t decide if this should be my Great person farm or my gold city. Is there any advice on this?



    55AD Hatty asked my to convert so I did.



    70AD we steel this tech from Hatty and this is where I saved.



    I’m ahead in tech!!!



    and power looks good the only one more powerful is Hammurabi!



    Here are the Persians



    It looks like Pasargadea and the unknown NE city have major overlapping with Persepolis. So when I take those cities should I raze or keep them? Or should I raze one and keep the other? What should I do?

    You may have noticed I tried different strategy this time. From the last game I decided that universal suffrage is not a good early game civic because you don’t have towns in early game and US doesn’t have any happiness modifier which is very important! So I didn’t build the pyramids so I didn’t have to switch to US.

    As you can see from my tech path I beeline calendar right after COL. I did that because I really want the Mausoleum! I have to start 3-4 GA’s so if I build the Mausoleum that equals 1.5 to 2 free GA’s!!! If I start 4 GA’s and build the Mausoleum I will have 60 turns of GA!!!

    NOTE: I will be on vacation over the weekend so I will not be able to play or post the next round till Sunday or Monday.
     

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  6. NintendoTogepi

    NintendoTogepi Noble Pacifist

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    I'm not really sure, I think raze.

    :)
     
  7. vale

    vale Mathematician

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    I'm trying to understand one thing about the rules. What is the time frame for when a city has to meet it specified requirements? Your capital is going to be out (blanking) the (blank) city for a certain amount of time. So if the capital is in fact your production city, the research city will still take some time to catch up to Berlin in research only because of the Palace. Same thing with the Espionage City, Gold City, and Great Person farm (great wall, oracle).

    I guess what I'm asking, is what is the "deadline" for having your 7 cities specialized as required? Are you allowed to change the specialization goal of a city (assuming you haven't worked a cottage or ran a specialist that forces your hand yet).

    Also, are you allowed to gift a city to the AI to avoid having to meet its obligations in terms of specialization?
     
  8. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    I don't really have much for a deadline I just have to meet the requirements before I can win the game. Of course, I can't in the last turn build wealth in my gold city or run more specialist then I have food for in my GP farm and call that city specialization. The reason I didn't put a deadline is because I don't think it will be a problem if I specialize correctly. Also after the national wonders I think it will be even less of a problem for example my Science City must build the Oxford and may build a academy that’s 150%:science: that the other cities don't have!

    I can change the city as long as doing so does not break the rules. for example I can't change my espionage city because I have built the Scotland yards in that city and Scotland yards may only be in the espionage city so changing it would break the rules.

    No, I may not gift a city to avoid terms of specialization! That would break the rules because I'm to acquire 7 cities and try to keep them through out the game. Giving a city away is not trying to keep all 7 cities. The only time giving a city away is ok is if I capture a city and may choices are to keep it, raze it, or return control to another empire I may give it away instead of razing it.
     
  9. PaulusIII

    PaulusIII Unholy Warlord

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    Better luck this time. You are at least a great deal luckier on the neighbours. Hatty, Darius and Hammurabi are a lot less war-minded than the previous bunch.

    Persepolis, with a food resource and lots of floodplains is an excellent GP farm. I'd simply raze the cities if BFC's overlap - if you want to use a small number of cities you want as less overlap as possible.
     
  10. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 2: 70AD - 685AD

    This is a short and rather uneventful round. I decided to make Persepolis my GP farm, although I have not stated to specialize it yet.

    Tech: calendar - construction - currency (finished in a trade) - part of civil service


    235AD I got another GSpy and I settle him in Munich

    280AD I give in to him I want to stay on his good side and avoid war with him as much as possible.



    550AD I steal feudalism from Hatty!!!

    565AD I build the Mausoleum!



    610AD a GG was born so I save him for the moment. I think I will attach him to a unit to make a level 6 unit so I can build west point in my military city.

    we take and raze this city.



    655AD we make peace. I had to stop building military to build the mausoleum so my power went down so I plan to declare war again and vassal him as soon as I rebuild my military.



    685AD I settle this city. I think I’m going to make this my military city.



    So I only need two more cities. I’m thinking Gordium looks like a good gold city!



    This is where I saved. Here are the city notice Hamburg is #1 :science:, Munich is #1 :espionage:, and Berlin is #1:hammers:. The other cities have not been developed.



    Here is the power:



    My plan is to first rebuild my military then take and keep Gordium and raze all the other cities I take from Darius unless he has one that would be good for my NP city. If he doesn’t have a good NP city I think I seen some unsettled land to the north that looked good for a NP city. When I have all 7 cities I will beat up Darius until he is my vassal. After that I will try to be a peaceful as possible while I build workers, specialize cities, and start GA’s!
     

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  11. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 3: 685AD - 1370AD

    I love espionage!!! I stole 6 techs in this round and 2 techs in the pervious rounds basically just because of 3 GSpys! By the end of this round I have all 7 cities and I am winning the liberalism race!

    Tech path: civil service - philosophy (finished in trade) - paper - education - part of liberalism

    920AD I steal machinery from Darius

    980AD I steal aesthetics from Darius

    1010AD I get another GSpy. I thought about settling his in the espionage city but I wanted to change civics with out anarchy so I start my first GA with him.

    I adopt Bureaucracy, the caste system, and OR,



    1030AD I make this trade with Hatty



    1050AD we steal theology from Hatty

    1110AD Hatty is in the AP



    1120AD we finish the Parthenon. It only took 8 turns to complete it!!!



    1160AD all good things must come to a end. Our GA ends.

    1220AD We declare war on Darius.



    1230AD we settle Frankfurt. This normally would be a bad city spot but this is going to be my NP city. 11 or more forests equals 11 or more specialists!



    1240AD we raze this city.



    1250AD :mad:



    1285AD I got a GA. Darius’ culture pressing against Persepolis grew tiresome so I used him for a culture bomb.

    1300AD I steal engineering and literature from Hatty

    1305AD I ask Hatty nicely for HBR and she gave it to me!

    1330AD I steal compass from Hatty! This is the 8th tech so far I have stolen in this game! Espionage is great!
     
  12. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 3: 685AD - 1370AD continued

    1335AD I try to finish what I had stated before the AP stepped in and stopped me.



    1340AD I take Gordium and keep it, this is going to be my gold city. I used my warlord to make a medic unit but he we only a level 5. After letting him fight two battles with 85%+ odds, he is now a level 6 unit. I can build West Point!!!



    1350AD I get another GA, for right now I save him for latter because I don’t know what to do with him.

    1355AD This was hard to do but I accept this request



    1370AD I make peace with Darius. I said I was going to war till I vassal him but after thinking about it I really don’t see any reason to kill him right now. I have all 7 cities so I want to focus on improving my land and specializing my cities.



    This is where I saved. Here are my cities.



    In the spoiler I have screen shots of all 7 cities.

    Spoiler :

    Berlin (production city)



    Hamburg (science city)



    Munich (espionage city) It’s producing 60 EPs per turn!!!



    Persepolis (GP farm) No I’m not breaking the rules, Darius was the one who built those cottages, I just haven’t gotten around to getting rid of them yet.



    Cologne (military city)



    Gordium (gold city) I have not even stated to specialize this city yet.



    Frankfurt (NP city)






    So I have a GArtist and I don’t know want to do with him. Should I settle him in Gordium (Gold City) to push away Darius’ culture at the same time give the city a nice boost in gold or should I save him for a GA?
     

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  13. Egnarts

    Egnarts Chieftain

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    Ofcourse I cant look at the techs from work, but why would you give hatty education? She allready got philosophy for lib so screw the demands...
     
  14. vale

    vale Mathematician

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    have to agree with the above. I would vote for Hatty as AP resident and get my diplomatic bonuses from that instead of giving away techs on the liberalism path.
     
  15. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    well after thinking about it giving away education was a blunder but I think I can still win the lib race. I Probably will not give Hatty any more techs. I think I might give in to Hammurabi if he asks for techs because he is more powerful and technology backwards.

    BTW what should I do with the GA?
     
  16. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 4: 1370AD - 1718AD

    Tech Path: liberalism - printing press - gunpowder - chemistry - SM - part of biology

    1405AD Darius is the only one smaller then us



    1425AD We steal drama from Hammurabi

    1430AD We win the liberalism race I take nationalism to try to get the Taj



    1440AD we finish the HE and NE.

    1465AD I get a GS and use him for a academy.

    1475 AD we meet Pacal II and Qin Shi Huang





    We steal guilds

    1480AD I tell him to go away!



    1495AD I finish the Taj which starts my 2nd GA



    1500AD I make this trade



    Then I switch to FR and Mercantilism I did so with no anarchy because of the GA



    1530AD as suggested I vote for Hatty for the “+2 you voted for us”



    1535AD I got a GM I save him for a GA

    1570AD My GA ends. I get a GA I save him for latter

    1610AD I steal constitution from Hatty

    1635AD I get a GE. I save him for now I think I might use him to rush wall street or Oxford. Any suggestions on what for should I use him?

    1665AD I steal optics from Hammurabi

    1690AD we make this trade



    1710AD we meet Mansa Musa who is insanely advanced.



    1718AD I started my 3rd GA with the GM and GA. This is where I saved.

    We are not very advanced anymore :(



    Here are the relations:



    There are more screen shots in the spoiler

    Spoiler :







    So what victory should I try to get? I’m thinking a space race is the best choice. If I go for a space race I will try to get the internet. I don’t know if a diplomatic is possible because Pacal is the largest and I would be going against him. A culture or conquest looks unlikely.

    So how am I doing??
     

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  17. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    Round 5: 1718AD - 1906AD

    Tech: biology - steam power - assembly line - railroad (finished in trade) - electricity - industrialism - plastics - computers - part of fiber optics

    1728AD I get a GS I settle him in Hamburg

    1746AD I steal Democracy from Hatty just in time to switch to US in my GA

    1748AD I make this trade



    1756AD I rush oxford with my GE

    1762AD I get a GA so I save him for my last GA

    1764AD I steal military tradition

    and I make this trade



    1776AD Mansa finishes the SOL 2 turns before I could get it :mad: I got 2010 gold from it. I use 1554 gold to rush the NP.

    1794AD I make the following trades







    1804AD I had too much mad so I revolt to emancipation

    1812AD I’m not dumb enough to accept this lol



    1816AD I get a GE

    1834AD I make this trade



    Soon after I found Mining inc with the GE

    1836AD I steal combustion from Hatty

    1844AD got a GM I save him for a GA

    1854AD Hatty finished the Apollo program

    1855AD GSpy so I start my 4th GA

    1862AD I switch to free market It was a big mistake waiting so long to go to free market because soon after my economy stated looking better

    1865AD I adopted free speech because of the UN



    1866AD wall street done!!!

    1867AD got a GM I use him for a trade mission

    1873AD another request I reject



    1878AD I make yet another trade



    1883AD I get this random event and Mansa finish the Apollo program :cry:



    1888AD Pacal finish the Apollo program.

    1900AD Qin finish the Apollo program.

    1905AD the UN makes me adopt environmentalism



    1906AD this is where I saved. I lost the internet with only a few turns left to go

    Hatty’s culture has taken some of the cottages around Hamburg and the oil around Munich



    I’m horribly behind in tech :cry:



    More screen shot in spoiler

    Spoiler :

    Every tile in the BFC produces at least 1 hammer








    I thought the internet was my only hope and I lost it to Hammurabi. This doesn’t look good. I think I will play this to the very end because I know the AIs sometimes do dumb thing but I think I have lost this game.
     

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  18. cIV_khanh93

    cIV_khanh93 Prince

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    abandoned?
     
  19. Joshua368

    Joshua368 Warmongering builder

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    It's from May.

    Don't necropost please.
     
  20. matthewthegreat

    matthewthegreat Warlord

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    I finished it I just didn't post it. Pacal II won a space race victory and I ended with a score of 2983

     

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