Mayan UHV is too hard

[youtien]

Be the first to discover astronomy - this is too hard. Without luck, I can do it in 1480 at my best, and still lose to Spanish.

I succeeded once in 1435, how? In this game, the Oracle, the Colossus, the Great Lightlouse were not built, so I built them all and oracled GUILDS.

By the way, if you play Mayan, I strongly recommend a city for copper: Vancouver. Found it on copper hill, it can fetch 2 silver and 1 gold and marble, and has 7 peaks, can build Maccu Pikachu crazyeye.

 

[Fresol]

Astronomy doesn't make sense, with Maya's research modifiers and starting situation.

 

[youtien]

Astronomy doesn't make sense, with Maya's research modifiers and starting situation.

Agreed. The game is a race with time and hard-coded barbs. You can't afford to lose a unit or build a wrong building. Growth is slow, holkan helps only a little, production is crappy until you finally win the game.

Their UHV should change to ascension. Give them some fantastic quest, go search something all around before Europeans wipe you out.

 

[Hojsimpson]

I think I can do it. (Wait, I'll try now)

 

[youtien]

I think I can do it. (Wait, I'll try now)

Oracle guilds?

 

[Hojsimpson]

I got astronomy before 1500 (India got it in 1270 O_O )
The only wonders I have are Machu Pikachu and Temple of Kukulcan
What is your strategy?

 

[youtien]

I got astronomy before 1500 (India got it in 1270 O_O )
The only wonders I have are Machu Pikachu and Temple of Kukulcan
What is your strategy?

Settle on silver, build 2 holkans and S/L to capture Danni'ba. Found Chichen Itza (crap but it is in core) then Vancouver, 1 city in S.Am and 1 in Caribbean sea.

One unit with hillsman II may wipe out Aztecs in one turn, when their army all go out...

Build classical wonders. That's not strategy, that's luck. Here is the starting savefile, in which all pantheon civs collapsed early. Maybe you can do it before me.

 

[Tigranes]

Astronomy doesn't make sense, with Maya's research modifiers and starting situation.

BTS developers placed Astronomy very far. Astronomy is the oldest of the natural sciences, dating back to antiquity, with its origins in the religious, mythological, and astrological practices of pre-history. The tech that called Astronomy should be really called Compass, and the tech Compass should be called Magnetism like in older Civilizations. Maya did not need to go through Renaissance for their advances in Astronomy. Neither did Ancient Babylonians. Ancient Era Sailing with Polytheism could grant you access to hypothetical new tech Astrology, and Astronomy should be next taking you to Classical Era... This is just to get things right. I am not sure if it will be fun to discover this classical era Astronomy as Maya...

 

[citis]

BTS developers placed Astronomy very far. Astronomy is the oldest of the natural sciences, dating back to antiquity, with its origins in the religious, mythological, and astrological practices of pre-history. The tech that called Astronomy should be really called Compass, and the tech Compass should be called Magnetism like in older Civilizations. Maya did not need to go through Renaissance for their advances in Astronomy. Neither did Ancient Babylonians. Ancient Era Sailing with Polytheism could grant you access to hypothetical new tech Astrology, and Astronomy should be next taking you to Classical Era... This is just to get things right. I am not sure if it will be fun to discover this classical era Astronomy as Maya...

Well, the classical "astronomy" is in fact a mixture of astronomy and astrology. The first time that astronomy was set in strong scientific ground was in renaiscance by Newton (theory of Gravity, explained the movement of the moon), Gallileo (Sun the center of the solar system, with proves) and mainly Kepler (explained the movement of all other planets).

The astronomy/astrology of ancient civs can be represented by calendar, because it only contributed in the forecasting of seasons. Moreover, Mayan achievement was exactly that, they had the best calendar system, it is superior even to ours!

Astronomy should be doable, other civs should discover it after 1450AD. I think that this happens in 600AD scenario, but Maya are playable only by 3000BC scenario, in which India may control two shrines, and Arabia many ancient wonders, like great lighthouse or collossus.

 

[Leoreth]

Why is the Mayan calendar system superior to ours? I'm pretty sure our calculations of earth's precession are more accurate by now.

But I agree that ancient astronomy is represented by the calendar tech.

 

[Tigranes]

I have to agree when you put it this way, first telescope and all that. Mayans had very complex calendarS, Civ V has Long Count as Mayan UP... wait they call it UA ... and don't credit Rhye!

 

[Hojsimpson]

I played with the same providedby Youtien, when I get a great person it crashes
I finished the game and won in 1430
There's a way (nearly impossible) of getting astronomy before 1400

If you send a caravel to moors and Wat prea pisnuhlok is built or another wonder, they wild exchange you Philosophy for something. Mali can give you Alphabet.
Once you get Alphabet and philosophy you can use 2 GS to bulb astronomy.

 

[Leoreth]

I have to agree when you put it this way, first telescope and all that. Mayans had very complex calendarS, Civ V has Long Count as Mayan UP... wait they call it UA ... and don't credit Rhye!

Complex okay, but that doesn't automatically mean superior.

 

[youtien]

I played with the same providedby Youtien, when I get a great person it crashes
I finished the game and won in 1430
There's a way (nearly impossible) of getting astronomy before 1400

If you send a caravel to moors and Wat prea pisnuhlok is built or another wonder, they wild exchange you Philosophy for something. Mali can give you Alphabet.
Once you get Alphabet and philosophy you can use 2 GS to bulb astronomy.

There is another way : pop astronomy from a goody hut. It is possible, I did it twice with Spanish and Indonisians. If it should go like this, I'd rather just WB it.

 

[Tigranes]

Complex okay, but that doesn't automatically mean superior.

I never claimed superiority, citis did. It is a persisting myth based on the following fact:

The difference between the solar year and the haab seems to be recorded in a Temple of the Cross inscriptions at Palenque, as first decoded by Teeple and discussed by Thompson (1971). Two dates express a 1508 haab interval, equal to 1507 tropical years (365 x 1508 = 1507 x 365.242203) a recognition of intercalation more accurate than the present day Gregorian calendar.

Difference is very small, though. Average tropical day is ≈365.242189 days, in the present day Gregorian Calendar the number is 365.2425 days.

But this is not important in this context. If Astronomy in our game represents the invention of telescope (modern Astronomy) than it is not fair to demand from Maya to discover "modern Astronomy". Unless it is one of those goals -- wanted but never did.

 

[Leoreth]

I never claimed superiority, citis did. It is a persisting myth based on the following fact:

Difference is very small, though. Average tropical day is ≈365.242189 days, in the present day Gregorian Calendar the number is 365.2425 days.

Wasn't sure if your post was meant to support citis.

But this is not important in this context. If Astronomy in our game represents the invention of telescope (modern Astronomy) than it is not fair to demand from Maya to discover "modern Astronomy". Unless it is one of those goals -- wanted but never did.

Yeah, it's intended to be one of those goals.

 

[Tigranes]

Here is a strange thing about Mayan UP this time... Calendar costs 420 with Mayan 40% discount. Japanese in the same Era need 579 . If this is the base cost -- Mayans should discoverer calendar with 347.4 beakers, not 420! Bug?

 

[Fresol]

Civilizations have their own research modifiers. That's why I consider Mayan and Chinese UP only pseudo-UPs.

 

[Tigranes]

Does AI Maya build ToK often enough? If any civ needs buff its them...

 

[Tigranes]

Can someone explain me this Mayan magic -- on turn 180 cost of Calendar was 420 and I was failing UHV 1. Suddenly during turn 181 Calendar went down to 259 . 40% off 420 makes 252.