McDonalds employee defends himself

[Artifis]

It's all about disproportionate force. You can't nearly kill someone for slapping you in the face and acting aggressively towards you, especially when you can simply run away.

This.

While the women were stupid for jumping the counter and trying to challenge him, he reacted with disproportionate force.

What we do know is that one of the women slapped him, and then both followed him behind the counter.

Those last couple whacks with the bar were questionable IMHO, but I don't have much sympathy for the 'victims' in this case.

"Questionable" doesn't even begin to describe it. It was clearly an overreaction. Then again, he being a person with a violent past, maybe it didn't seem anything like an overreaction to him.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If the fellow employees knew that they could get fired for helping then that would explain why they did not help.

Do you think that is why no McDonalds employee tried to stop that transgendered woman from being viciously beaten, and at least one of them was fired as a result?

A man continues to capture the assault on video, never once attempting to help, but instead can be heard laughing several times during the footage. Other McDonald's employees are seen in the video standing nearby as the fight ensues.

"I knew they were taping me; I told the guy to stop," Polis said. "They all just sat there and watched."

The man who captured the video was 22-year-old McDonald's employee, Vernon Hackett, the Baltimore Sun reported. He was since been fired.

"My first and foremost concern is with the victim," Mitchell McPherson, owner of the Rosedale McDonald's, said in a statement.

"I'm as shocked and disturbed by the assault as anyone would be," he said. "The behavior displayed in the video is unfathomable and reprehensible."

McDonald's released a statement on Saturday calling the attack "unacceptable, disturbing and troubling."

 

[mangxema]

But what did he say to them to cause the woman to react like that? That is what I meant by the part you bolded.

I really don't see how that matters. I can't think of anything that he could have said that would justify jumping the counter. She could have excoriated the man where she was standing. I must say that until a similar(ish) situation happened in Panama City this year--I believe there may have been a thread here about it--the thought of jumping the counter had honestly never even occurred to me. Why would you do that? It's just asking for trouble.

My only concern is that once someone's beating you on the ground, your instinct will be to GTFO of there, which may have been interpreted as the beginning of an attack that led to additional strikes. The expectation that someone should just lie there on the floor while some dude is beating you with a stick is entirely unrealistic.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If I had to guess, I'd say he was running away with the $50 bill still in his hands. Of course, that doesn't make her behavior correct, and she was apparently suitably charged for her misdemeanor crimes. But something tells me the cashier's conduct was the reason he got slapped in the first place, since the $50 bill seems to have been completely legit.

But I don't think that gives anybody the right to nearly kill her as a direct result. Once again, if he really felt in fear of his life he should have just locked himself in the manager's office and called the cops.

 

[Patroklos]

I like how its totally cool with you for women to slap random dudes.

So now he was stealing the fifty? Why are you making things up?

 

[amadeus]

Why would a McDonald's franchise hire a convicted killer?

 

[Cheetah]

If the fellow employees knew that they could get fired for helping then that would explain why they did not help.

Yeah, at least that was the initial consensus - and what our resident lawyers told us - the last time we discussed this.

Do you think that is why no McDonalds employee tried to stop that transgendered woman from being viciously beaten, and at least one of them was fired as a result?

Alright, I'll add to the list that if you create and distribute a videotape of an event like this you will also get fired. If that employee hadn't captured what was happening on his phone, my guess is he wouldn't have been fired. No publicity can't be bad publicity.

Once again, if he really felt in fear of his life he should have just locked himself in the manager's office and called the cops.

You're speculating that there is an office he can lock himself inside, and if someone is assaulting and chasing you through a McDonalds kitchen, and none of your ccoworkers try to help you, you really don't have the luxury of calling the police and waiting.

But what did he say to them to cause the woman to react like that? That is what I meant by the part you bolded.

You're speculating that the womens' indefensible assault where somewhat justified by something he said to them.

Let me then speculate that he didn't say or do anything inappropriate, and the women are just rabid she-dogs who think they can do whatever the hell they like. Like this one:

http://www.bigrapids.biz/news/127/ARTICLE/2532/2011-02-21.html

The Deputy said a customer came into the business and became upset over the amount of her towing bill. The woman flew into a fit of rage, assaulting an employee, and did over $3,000 worth of damage to the business.


Link to video.

 

[bhsup]

I don't know how McDonald's are now, but when I was working at one in high school, their manager's offices didn't doors have doors, much less locks for said missing doors. It was an intentional corporate policy.

As far as defending oneself goes, if you don't want to get beat half to death, don't attack someone to begin with.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I like how its totally cool with you for women to slap random dudes.

I never claimed it was. I have constantly claimed the women were suitably charged for their crimes.

So now he was stealing the fifty? Why are you making things up?

Nor did I even insinuate that...

You're speculating that there is an office he can lock himself inside, and if someone is assaulting and chasing you through a McDonalds kitchen, and none of your ccoworkers try to help you, you really don't have the luxury of calling the police and waiting.

AFAIK, all McDonalds have a manager's office with a door that can be locked. The ones I've been in have had them, but VRCW's comment seems to disagree with that.

You're speculating that the womens' indefensible assault where somewhat justified by something he said to them.

Once again, I am doing nothing of the sort. I think all three have been suitably charged for their crimes, and I have stated so numerous times. I am merely pointing out that we have no idea what caused the initial physical confrontation from the video or from any of the articles.

 

[NickyJ]

What we do know is that one of the women slapped him, and then both followed him behind the counter.

Those last couple whacks with the bar were questionable IMHO, but I don't have much sympathy for the 'victims' in this case.

Ditto. He had every right to defend himself, but I think those last few hits while she was on the ground were questionable. That said, I'm not shedding tears over her getting her just deserts. (Hmm, McDonalds' and just deserts... "Skipper, pun sighted to the starboard! "

Nor did I even insinuate that...

Umm, about that....

If I had to guess, I'd say he was running away with the $50 bill still in his hands.

Okay, so what were you insinuating?

 

[Formaldehyde]

I wasn't insinuating he was trying to steal it. I merely stated he may very well could have still had her bill, and that is why she decided to go after him. But once again, that certainly doesn't condone her conduct. She should have just called the cops and let them deal with it.

 

[NickyJ]

I wasn't insinuating he was trying to steal it. I merely stated he very well could have still had her bill.

So what if he had the bill?

 

[Silurian]

AFAIK, all McDonalds have a manager's office with a door that can be locked. The ones I've been in have had them, but VRCW's comment seems to disagree with that.
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The manager's office in the nearest McDonalds to where I live is two floors up from the kitchen and you get there by the public areas.

And as VRWCAgent pointed out some do not have doors on the office.

So any talk of running to the office and locking the door if a customer abuses, assaults and chases you is a hypothetical.

 

[cardgame]

Not everyone can remain as cool, calm and collected as if they were sitting comfortably at home behind a computer screen when they're assaulted and outnumbered. I think there's a difference between disproportionate force (the convenience store worker who knocked that kid unconscious, then slowly and deliberately grabbed his magnum revolver and shot him in the head in early 2010 or sometime in '09) and defending yourself instinctively.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So what if he had the bill?

I just offered it as a possible reason why she decided to jump the counter.

Once again, we really have no idea what was said between the two of them. But it was apparently very argumentative given that the person with the cell phone decided to point it at them and start recording. A cashier merely checking a bill to see if it is legitimate is typically done on the spot without any discussion at all with the patron. Something likely caused this physical reaction to occur.

The manager's office in the nearest McDonalds to where I live is two floors up from the kitchen and you get there by the public areas.

And as VRWCAgent pointed out some do not have doors on the office.

So any talk of running to the office and locking the door if a customer abuses, assaults and chases you is a hypothetical.

As is everything else involving this discussion.

Once again, I see no reason to think the McDonalds and police reaction to this incident is in any way suspect. An employee has the right to defend himself from physical attack, even from two apparently diminutive women. But this clearly seems to be a matter of disproportionate force.

 

[Patroklos]

So you think that somehow that (holding the $50) makes umping over the counter and assaulting a dude understandable, but someone reacting to an aggressive surprise assault and using whatever tool was at hand to fend off assailants nobody was helping him with is somehow beyond you ability to comprehend?

I am going to go ahead and speculate you have never been in a violent scenario or had to think on your toes before. Hove you ever need to make a split second decision involving violence?

 

[bhsup]

Again, my experience was in the early-mid 80s. Things may well have changed since then. Dunno.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So you think that somehow that (holding the $50) makes umping over the counter and assaulting a dude understandable, but someone reacting to an aggressive surprise assault and using whatever tool was at hand to fend off assailants nobody was helping him with is somehow beyond you ability to comprehend?

I am going to go ahead and speculate you have never been in a violent scenario or had to think on your toes before. Hove you ever need to make a split second decision involving violence?

How many times do I have to state that it wasn't "understandable", and that I think all three were suitably charged for their crimes based on the video and the articles I posted?

 

[Yui108]

Clearly this guy will get screwed. Poor dude.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

But what did he say to them to cause the woman to react like that?

In other words, not being nice enough about checking a large bill justifies a two on one physical assault, but being attacked by two people should require you to roll up in a ball and hope the cops get there in time?