Medicine

Sweet. How does one get a blood test?
Actually I got mine done at the Atkins' Center (in New York) of all places (since gone out of business I think).

You can probably find a place to go by typing your home city into Google + "blood testing" or "allergy testing" or some such.
 
Star worms, it's obvious all the information you "know" comes from the medical establishment. Perhaps you should look at both sides and not just the side making $2 trillion a year in the us alone, that alone should be a big sign that it's fraud.

The infectious diseases you said were cured by vaccines were not at all, they were cured by the sewer systems and improved hygiene:

Sewers beat pharmaceuticals as best medical advance in nearly 200 years
http://www.newstarget.com/021485.html

There is no evidence whatsoever that vaccines have any benefits, but there are many proven links to terrible diseases children had that were non existent before. You may have seen that impressive graph released by drug companies showing how rapidly infectious diseases miraculously vanished shortly after the vaccines where released, but if you look at the infectious disease rates before the vaccine was released, you see they were already falling rapidly (due to the sewers and better hygiene) This documentary tell the truth about vaccines:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&q=vaccines

About drugs curing diseases, where did you come up with that one? Drugs only "treat" diseases (to keep you as a customer for life) and in fact they are the 3rd leading cause of death and #1 cause of disease, I myself got crohn's disease, a known side effect of accutane, a drug for acne I had taken just before getting crohn's. Then they told me I had to be on chemo for life and have surgery, I fell for it and got the surgery and was on chemo for 5 years, only to finally find the cause and cure for crohns has been found in the 1950s, eliminating dairy, sugar and grains (and a few other unhealthy things) from the diet cures this "incurable" disease in days, even people who where told they had to have their colon removed where smart enough to look elsewhere, read about the diet and never had to get their colon removed, they would have had to live with the embarrassment of a bag for the rest of their life like everyone else who makes the often fatal mistake of believing a doctor, every one who had their colon removed had this done for profit, because they refuse to accept the disease can be cured by diet, why? Because it would be a total disaster, they're their to make money, not to help patients, so they're certainly not going to say "simply stop eating this this and this and it’ll be gone in a few days", no, that's ZERO profit, they tell you "sir, I'm afraid we have bad news, you have crohn's disease, there's no cure but we can remove the affected part of your colon by surgery, and unfortunately, you're going to have to be on chemotherapy for life, I'm really sorry..." this makes them... lets see, about $20,000 for the unneeded mutilating surgery which needs to be repeated every few years since they never address the cause (the patient is eating sugar, grains or dairy in significant amounts causing these symptoms in the colon), then add the chemo at around $500/month, let's say the victim (the so called "patient") is diagnosed at 10 years old, a common age to get crohn's, that's $300,000 of inhumane poisoning of children for profit with chemo (a chemical originally used during the war as a toxic chemical to kill the enemies), assuming 20 surgeries during the patient's life that's another $400,000, that's $700,000 by exploiting the terrible pain and suffering of a human being since he was 10, left to suffer with a terrible illness and excruciating pain (remember, I've lived through crohn's also until I found the cure like many others who avoid the inhumane and cruel for profit treatments of modern medicine). And that's just with crohn's disease, the same is true with 94% of chronic diseases, they are all caused by nutritional deficiencies or toxins/poisons in the diet like sugar, aspartame, and all those other toxic things in 99% of "food" in grocery stores.

About the genes, this has almost nothing to do with it, genes don't cause diseases, they only affect your risk, you can still prevent and cure any disease naturally regardless of your genes, and the reason why diseases run in families is because they eat like their parents, if their parents eat a lot of breast cancer causing dairy, sugar and red meat, then the children will eat the same and they'll both get breast cancer, because they both ate the things that cause it, the diseases are transmitted through diet, not genes.

You want facts? The #1 cause of death in the USA is the so called health care system, every single day between 10,000 and 40,000 people are killed by conventional medicine, nothing in the history of mankind has ever killed so many people, not only that, they are also the #1 cause of disease (since every single one of their treatment causes diseases), every day 100,000 people are given a disease as a side effect of a drug (just like accutane caused my crohn’s disease). You also said we're HAHA... sorry this is too funny... healthier!?!? are you kidding?!? We now have 1 in 2 people with cancer, 1 in 3 have diabetes, 92% are obese, the rate of nearly every chronic disease has been constantly on the rise, 100 years ago 1 in 33 people got cancer, 30 years ago 1 in 4 got cancer, now it's 1 in 2, and soon it'll be 3 in 4, then 9 of 10, and so on. Most drugs actually cause cancer, even things like aspirin, tylenol, so the more drugs people use the faster the cancer rates will climb, it's not rocket science, drugs are a major cause of cancer, and with 45% of americans on at least one drug, that's a lot of cancers being given to innocent people who were fooled into thinking the drugs are safe. There's no such thing as a safe or effective drug and there never will be, the simple idea that toxic chemicals (drugs) and human vivisection (surgery) could do anything to improve a person's health is utterly ridiculous, health is achieved by eliminating the 3 general cause of every disease: nutritional deficiencies, toxins/poisons, and stress, eliminate those 3 and every disease will be cured by your immune system, as it will again have the tools it needs to make disease impossible to exist, that's what your immune system is there for, and it's a disaster for conventional medicine that your immune system knows how to cure any disease because they can't sell you your own immune system, so they fool you into thinking you have an incurable disease to sell you drugs and surgery that will put your life at risk and are responsible for the death of 10,000 to 40,000 people, all this just so conventional medicine could exploit their pain and suffering (which is exactly what they do to the surviving victims of course).

You can read more about the inhumane scams of conventional medicine here:
The quackery of modern medicine
http://www.newstarget.com/021664.html

This great doctor with a real education (her life depended on it, she had breast cancer and knew chemo was not the answer) who explains the link between diet and diseases:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2371201605571520281

If you can handle the truth about cancer, this documentary tells it well (it's simply a deficiency disease like scurvy, but who drug companies and the FDA convinced everyone these are "incurable diseases" which "can only be treated with approved drugs"):
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507

The only drug you could remotely say cures a disease would be antibiotics and infections, but it rally just exchanges it for something else, because it causes severe damage to the immune system making any other disease welcome to take it's place. If you use natural antibiotics, not only are they proven to be much more effective, not only do they not damage the immune system, but bacteria can't even become resistant to it, so all these antibiotic resistant bacteria would be non existent if natural antibiotics where used instead, this alone would save tens of thousands of lives per year, but natural antibiotics aren't patentable (so they can't be exploited for profit like patented toxic drugs), so they rather use the more profitable one at the expense of tens of thousands of lives (still nothing compared to the total number of 40,000 deaths a day).

About ADHD, you said it's not a deadly disease, not only is this true but it's a made up non existent disease, but the point is, the disease isn't deadly, but the drug used to treat it (which is virtually pure cocaine) do kill tens of thousands of children and adults every year, when this "disease" doesn't even exist in the first place, that doesn't stop them from killing tens of thousands of children for profit, and the surviving victims become cocaine addicts for life, of course.

About cancer, the 5 year survival rate (what they fraudulent call "cure rate") with conventional treatments is 3% (if a patient dies at 5 years and 2 days, medicine will proudly exclaim h is "cured" and he will be entered in the stats as such, even though he died of the very cancer medicine says he was cured of, how strange?). With diet changes (mostly a raw vegan diet) is proven to have around 85-95% CURE rate, this is REAL cure not a fake 5 year survival that criminals call cure, this is a real cure where the cancer cannot come back as long as you don't go back to eating and living the way that caused your cancer (conventional medicine never addresses the cause, after all it's free and they'd not make half a million per disease per patient).

About AIDS, those who live the longest have been shown to be those who change to a completely healthy diet, in fact many of the long term survivors use no medication at all and live much better (without the horrible side effects) and much longer.

About living longer, the lifespan in going down for the first time in history, the next generation will live 5 years shorter than their parents (thanks to medicine killing 40,000 people a day and letting cancer rates get ever higher, after all, the more people they kill the more money they make).

Obviously if your job in any way depends on conventional medicine you're going to absolutely refuse to believe any of this and continue to be in part responsible for the murder of up to 40,000 people every single day. How do you people sleep at night? I bet you guys made a drug so you can live with yourselves committing such inhumane crimes.

Oh, and about your herbs and diet have no science thing, there's much more evidence supporting the benefits of diet and herbs, in fact they are the only effective treaments science has found so far, but they are not profitable and ignored.

Not only that, only 6% of drugs have science to prove their benefits and no surgery has any science whatsoever, so how about you get some science on your side first? The diet/herb medicine has the honest science since centuries, conventional medicine is nothing but fraudulent made up science for profit at the expense of human lives.

Only 6% of drug advertising material is supported by evidence
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/328/7438/485-a
 
I wanted to add something, what I wrote about above is about medecine used for health problems/diseases, for physical injuries and emergencies they can do miracles and save lives, but the health side of the system is corrupt beyond beleif which is why they are killing up to 40,000 people a day.
 
I wanted to add something, what I wrote about above is about medecine used for health problems/diseases, for physical injuries and emergencies they can do miracles and save lives, but the health side of the system is corrupt beyond beleif which is why they are killing up to 40,000 people a day.
How exactly do they kill them?
 
For all those who are curious, aab1 is the real life inspiration for my posts in this thread.

I posted on one of narz's crazy raw forums about how parents should let their kids trick or treat because candy once a year wont kill anyone, and he absolutely FLIPPED. He made the doctors=nazis comparison seriously, and he also seriously accused me of being a corporate spy sent by the Nestle corporation to target raw food support groups.

Then he claimed that every parent who lets their kids eat candy even once a year is morally equivalent to a murderer and should go to jail for life.

I am not making that up, and he is 100% serious. I'd link to the relevant thread but 1. it might come off as advertising, and 2. i'm lazy, and 3. narz can do it.

edit: I actually cant resist showing off my awesomeness, so here's the thread that started it all:

http://www.sunfood.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013537
 
I'd like to see herbal medicine and good diet cure MS,Tuberculosis,non variant form CJD,Malaria,CF,Diabetes type 1, ie no panceatic secretions of insulin,virtually all forms of cancer,SAD,Schizophrenia,Bi-polar,AIDS,Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's,Down's Syndrome,Albinism,Sickle cell anaemia, Chagas' Disease

And all these rather nifty tropical diseases below. Diet, my big fat round one. Since when do viral and bacterial infections stem from diet? Are they on some mind altering substances? Honestly, because that sounds like pathological behaviour if not?

There are some diseases that can be related to diet, type 2 diabetes for example can be caused by diet, Hayfever was said to be caused by ingestion of pollen originally. Lactose intolerance, Chron's disease etc. But ato say they are caused by anything but microscopic organisms or genetic mutation etc, in the case above, and not by some wierd fantastical conspiracy theory is frankly insane. Was the plague caused by diet as well?How about yellow fever?



* Chikungunya
* Cholera
* Dengue Fever
* Ebola
* Giardiasis
* Hepatitis
* Lassa Fever
* Leprosy
* Marburg Hemorrhagic Fever
* Meningitis
* Polio
* Ross River Virus Infection
* Schistosomiasis
* Sleeping Sickness
* Typhoid Fever
* Yellow Fever

Strange people you meet on the net, I'll have to remember the next time I go to work, how all the Dr's and nurses I work with are using medicines to kill people :shake: I am being deluded by propaganda!:suicide:

EDIT: Quinine was used to treat malaria long before the medical profession got a hold of it, in fact people in hot countries(well mostly the British) Used to drink gin & tonic because of the quinine in the tonic water. And yes it will get rid of it, although many forms are resistant now. Are these people for real? I mean honestly?
 
edit: I actually cant resist showing off my awesomeness, so here's the thread that started it all:

http://www.sunfood.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013537
:rotfl:
Your ego probably doesn't need it, but for sustained comic brutality alone that thread deserves A+. :goodjob:

And then I see this:
On civfanatics, a guy named Taliesin convinced me that he has a more or less rational foundation for his religious faith.
Shock and awe, Fifty, shock and awe. By the by, I've since come to think of that foundation as less rational (but only very slightly) than I did back then, but hey, I'll take what I can get. :D
 
welcome to the CivFanatics Offtopic's crowd, aab1! Great Posts!

~Raw I
 
The reason I ask is because there seems to be a general consensus that the goal of medicine is to provide treatments (at an increasing cost effectiveness) that can bring a below-average person up to normal health. However, there seems to be quite of bit of resistance to augmenting a normal person into above-average health status.
 
Damn!This information that aab1 provided is something we need to take seriously from now on and hopefully many of us will take the initiatives to propagandize it to other posters in Civfanatics;whether they like it or not,we will stick it into thier mindless souls.:borg:

Enlightening.
 
However, there seems to be quite of bit of resistance to augmenting a normal person into above-average health status.
There's no profit in that.

Besides, going from "normal" health to "extraordinary" health is outside the doctor's hands. It's up to the patient to make the leaps necessary for that to occur (lots of exercise, stretching, positive attitude, eating well, breathing well, etc.). There's no pill a person can take to be healthy, just to block symptoms or block certain diseases (in this country, most drugs are focused on the former).
 
There's no profit in that.

Besides, going from "normal" health to "extraordinary" health is outside the doctor's hands.

I dunno about the 'profit' aspect; given the huge market for (say) gingko and steroids, there seems to be a huge market for augmentation.

But getting a doctor to help you out seems to be much tougher. I don't really think it is outside of medicine's purview, but it seem to (functionally) be so.

For example: I have average cholesterol levels. Because of that, I have a great deal of trouble getting my doctor to help me improve them. It would seem that I should be able to go to someone informed and registered if I wanted advice to crank up my HDL higher ... but I don't know who. And the modern medical system doesn't seem to be putting forward people to help, either.
 
I dunno about the 'profit' aspect; given the huge market for (say) gingko and steroids, there seems to be a huge market for augmentation.
Augmentation isn't health. All the gingko in the world won't help you if you sit on your ass all day watching Jerry Springer (is he on the air) and eating Cheezy Puffs. Steroids are not worth it in the cost-benefit analysis.

But getting a doctor to help you out seems to be much tougher. I don't really think it is outside of medicine's purview, but it seem to (functionally) be so.

For example: I have average cholesterol levels. Because of that, I have a great deal of trouble getting my doctor to help me improve them. It would seem that I should be able to go to someone informed and registered if I wanted advice to crank up my HDL higher ... but I don't know who. And the modern medical system doesn't seem to be putting forward people to help, either.
Hmm, I don't know much about cholesterol, you could try the Internet.
 
Oh, I can certainly research augmenting myself: but getting the 'system' involved seems to be counter to what it's designed to do.
 
Oh, I can certainly research augmenting myself: but getting the 'system' involved seems to be counter to what it's designed to do.
I agree.

Are those as expensive as they are over here ? They cost aprox 40$ here. But hey, my parents paid. :)
I think more than that, depending on the extensiveness of the tests (I got hormone levels done also).
 
How exactly do they kill them?

106,000 deaths by drug side effects
98,000 from medical errors
115,000 from bedsores
88,000 from infections
108,800 from malnutrition
199,000 from outpatients
37,136 from unnecessary procedures
32,000 from surgeries

That's a total of 783,936 deaths per year, but only 5 to 20% are reported, which would mean 10,000 to 40,000 deaths per day (that's one person killed by modern medicine every 2 to 5 seconds!).
 
106,000 deaths by drug side effects
98,000 from medical errors
115,000 from bedsores
88,000 from infections
108,800 from malnutrition
199,000 from outpatients
37,136 from unnecessary procedures
32,000 from surgeries

That's a total of 783,936 deaths per year, but only 5 to 20% are reported, which would mean 10,000 to 40,000 deaths per day (that's one person killed by modern medicine every 2 to 5 seconds!).

Can you link a scientific paper? Or is this just lies, damn lies and statistics? Are you honestly saying that the number of deaths isn't due to the disease but the treatment? So life expectancy has gone up due to fairies and magic? As has infant mortality, link please, show me how medicine kills people, from creditable science, or is this just manipulating the facts to make a point, because I think it is; I think your just pulling random statistics together and asserting them correlatory with no reason or logic, either scientific, medical both or otherwise. Cmon stop being so liberal with the statistics, no ones going to buy such rubbish, it's like the illuminati, look at the world. Jews have control, and they are the.... oh just please.:rolleyes:

I work in a hospital and I find this deeply insulting. That all the hard work and selfless things medical staff do is just based on lies, grow up, they don't give treatments because they don't work or because diet would solve the problem, they do it because science hasn't yet, and your backward leeches and bloodletting nonsense will help nor convince no one.
 
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