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actually it feels a bit neglected this expansion. Probably why they put this world wonder in the game. It's probably the only change to religious victory in this expansion. And as far as we know, we have no strict religious civs, though Mali is close. I don't think Eleanor will be, Phoenicia certainly not.
I made a few gurus in my last game (mostly because I have never bothered before) and was surprised how well they do when you send out a squad of apostles out to get attacked
Religion victory is the more painful victory due to tedious micro-management of all religion units, so unfortunately this wonder will never be built in my games.
Religious victory needs a wolfpack of 3 to 4 Apostles and a stream of Gurus. Faster with two wolfpacks (6 to 8 Apostles). Somewhat less micromanagement compared to domination, but there's definitely a similarity to the two victories.
This is a Great wonder for religious victory. In order to win RV, you need to kill as many enemy religious units as possible near their holy cities and you absolutlely NEED high theological combat strength + Guru's for healing to keep killing the stream of Apostles the AI throws at you. Being good at theological combat means you need fewer charges, which means you need to spend less faith on constantly recruiting Apostles.
Agreed. This is one of those rare Civ 6 Wonders to my mind: one that's actually worth the production cost if you're going for a particular victory type. Not needed for that victory, but it has a positive return on investment measured in terms of game impact, which very few Wonders do.
If the devs think an abbey is even in the same category as a cathedral... (I love the inclusion of Mont St. Michel. It's very worthy of inclusion. But it's not a Gothic cathedral.)
Have you ever visited them? I think Mont St Michel is much more impressive than Norte Dame. And there’s more impressive catherdrals in Europe than Notre Dame tbh.
I like this wonder. Definitely only useful for religious victory but that’s cool.
So this is the last one.
Best wonder is still forbidden city for me.
Worst dunno yet. With R&F it was definitely the Statue of Liberty
This would be an interesting wonder if religious combat were a well designed and balanced game mechanic. Unfortunately, that isn't at all the case. Religious combat, as the game currently stands, should virtually never happen because a civ that fights and loses is so much worse off than one that doesn't try to fight. Imagine what regular combat would be like if losing a battle in the field caused you to lose nearby cities, but enemy units attacking those cities directly were automatically destroyed (while a far cheaper garrison unit healed the damage they inflicted). That's exactly the state religious combat is in, and adding a wonder that buffs a few of the units involved doesn't do anything to change it.
Sadly I've never been to Europe, though I've done a fair amount of traveling in East and Southeast Asia. But I have studied Gothic architecture rather extensively, even wrote a paper on its underlying theology/philosophy in college. (Makes me rather sad that many of my fellow Protestants view them as monuments to hubris rather than symbols of worship, even if perhaps a few of them were built to the glory of their architect rather than God.)
Sadly I've never been to Europe, though I've done a fair amount of traveling in East and Southeast Asia. But I have studied Gothic architecture rather extensively, even wrote a paper on its underlying theology/philosophy in college. (Makes me rather sad that many of my fellow Protestants view them as monuments to hubris rather than symbols of worship, even if perhaps a few of them were built to the glory of their architect rather than God.)
I agree, but I'd be content with Nôtre Dame de Paris because it's iconic and probably the most famous exemplar of the genre.
I mean, it's definitely beautiful. But you do realize how biased you sound. Especially since Notre Dame would have just as situational bonus as any other religious architecture wonder.
On a more humorous note, can we all appreciate how @Eagle Pursuit was shocked to predict sonething?
I mean, it's definitely beautiful. But you do realize how biased you sound. Especially since Notre Dame would have just as situational bonus as any other religious architecture wonder.
On a more humorous note, can we all appreciate how @Eagle Pursuit was shocked to predict sonething?
I mean, I looked up stuff on the temple and nothing seemed like an obvious reason to have a bonus, so then I considered "What is an Indian religious stereotype?" and thought of gurus. And apparently that's what Firaxis was thinking.
Should I care? Yes, I'm biased, as are we all. I think Gothic architecture is one of most significant artistic movements of the last thousand years, not least of all because it was not only an architecture but a visual manifesto and a theology.
Not going to lie, I build Hagia Sophia almost every game simply because it's beautiful. And apparently because I enjoy torturing myself with the abominable quote they attached to it.
I mean, it's definitely beautiful. But you do realize how biased you sound. Especially since Notre Dame would have just as situational bonus as any other religious architecture wonder.
It's most appropriate bonus might actually be a tourism bonus, as it's apparently the most visited monument in the world.
I think that's one of the things that impressed me the most about it - that I still found it awe inspiring despite being paraded through with a throng of people (usually a big strike in my book). The sheer size of it was pretty impressive.
Though tbh 'most visited' does sound like a somewhat dubious 'stat'. Does that only include people who go inside - i.e. I didn't go in the Eiffel tower but theoretically visited it? What about religious pilgrims to Mecca that likely outnumber it?
I don't know, but if Notre Dame was added, I would expect a bonus related to era points, in a different way from the Taj Mahal, though. I wouldn't expect that it would be a religious wonder.
Speaking about the Meenakshi Temple, it's great that we have more Eastern representation in the game, I like this and I like the Kotoku-in and the Mahabodhi Temple. But Firaxis has to make them at least worthy of building them, otherwise players will neglect them in the majority of matches and their inclusion will be kind of unnoticed.
A nice way to make an additional challenge for RV, besides founding a religion. With an Apostle wolfpack, its quite trivial, although tedious, to win an RV if you manage to found a religion. The AI that builds the Meenakhsi will provide a nice boss fight, because the AI isnt too hesitant in spamming Gurus.
I'd like to see what the full final benefits are. The videos mostly provide a rough sketch of them (which is fine by me). Probably some faith and gold or something like that.
You are right, also it seems like a row of buildings always connects now to the district. Hopefully it will help in rducing the patchy effect of districts and wonders on cities. As for the wonder, It look awesome, Its very specialized but should make guru's more helpful.
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(I love the inclusion of Mont St. Michel. It's very worthy of inclusion. But it's not a Gothic cathedral.)
Yes, I'm biased, as are we all. I think Gothic architecture is one of most significant artistic movements of the last thousand years, not least of all because it was not only an architecture but a visual manifesto and a theology.
And apparently because I enjoy torturing myself with the abominable quote they attached to it. 
