learner gamer already settled there 1W from rice, my initial thoughts when I played previous round was settling on the rice, since there are 2 sugar+fish and I would get mine in 1st ring, but well lg had something other on his mind
Well, the way that the City in the NW got settled, such that it is 1W of the Rice instead of on the Rice, it seems like it will be our Great Person Farm.
I was thinking in the north settle NW of rice for fish and sugar and 2E from rice later after the city that is already there works fish so I can borrow the rice.
Yeah, that approach could work, although by settling NW of the eastern Rice, you cramp your mid-northern City a bit, which is why if we want that mid-northern City, I suggested moving the north-eastern City 1SE onto the eastern Rice... you lose 2 Food long term (post-Civil Service) but get +1 Food in the City's Centre immediately without having to work an extra square. You also get the 3 Food + 3 Commerce Lake to work instead of working a 4 Food (and later 5 Food after it is irrigated) Rice square... not quite a fair trade-off in terms of Food, but overall, you get more squares to work for the mid-northern City, so there is a bit of a balance there.
If you really wanted, you could settle in the locations that you suggested: mid-north shares the Great Person Farm's western Rice, north-east goes 1NW of the eastern Rice, and then you can fit in another marginal City SE of the Lake, to get an unused Grassland River square plus the Lake plus 1 unused Grassland Hills square... every flatland square in that City would have to get a Farm, but it would let you fit in yet another City.
I wasn't going to look at Grashopa's game but at your suggestion, I took a look at his spoiler and I see what you mean: he has placed a City to the east of our capital and to the north-east of City #2 (NE of Edirne) such that it is 2E of the Stone. There, it can share City #2's (Edirne's) Pig, but that's not much different from sharing the capital's Pig. It still gets the same Rice and Grassland Hills square that you'd get from settling 2E of the capital's Pig (i.e. NW + N of the Stone), but it misses out on a Plains Hills square and misses out on the chance to share Grassland Hills squares that either the capital or City #2 might stop working when they run Specialists.
The one advantage of Grashopa's location is that we can work 6 Coast squares, whereas settling 2E of the capital's Grassland Pig only allows us to work 3 Coast squares. However, if that aspect is important to you, then I would suggest still sharing the capital's Pig and settle 1N of where we were talking about, such that you are NE + E of the capital's Pig. In so doing, you will miss out on a Grassland Hills square but will gain a Grassland Hills square that the very marginal "Lake + Grassland River" City could have used (i.e. it's probably then not worth settling a "Lake + Grassland River" City anymore). By making this small change, you will get to work 5 Coast squares, which is almost as many as Grashopa's placement, but you'll also get an extra Plains Hills square to work for production purposes.
I was thinking in the north settle NW of rice for fish and sugar and 2E from rice later after the city that is already there works fish so I can borrow the rice.
Do you mean the location where we have settled the City called Konya already? I'm pretty sure that common consensus is to build Moai Statues there in order to get the City a lot more production. We won't even need to build a Monument there, since the City already has Hinduism.
If you meant somewhere else, I apologise and ask you to clarify where you meant.
So probably we talk about 5 cities?
It's decent target for future expansion and next 40 turns :-D I think I will be happy with settling at least 3 spots out of those 5
Given that we appear to have run out of Foreign Trade Routes for now, it probably doesn't make sense to settle as many as 5 additional Cities in the next turnset, but it would be nice to have a long-term plan in mind that people have somewhat agreed-upon, so that we can judge the saves more based on what a person did in their game instead of simply because a person doesn't like where a different person chose to settle their Cities.
Finish Literature that is given
True, but the timing can be altered.
For example, if you don't have a City in which to build any of the Epics or The Great Library for a while, then don't complete research on Literature until you are ready to start building one of those 3 buildings.
Recall that the National Epic requires a Library and the Heroic Epic requires a Barracks (fortunately, we have already "unlocked it" with a 10-Experience-Point Warrior), so if you don't have the pre-requisite Building yet, then you are not "ready" to start building the relevant National Wonder in your chosen City.
Actually, that brings up a good question: where should we put the Heroic Epic? City #2 (Edirne) is our best Hammer-producing City. However, so far, it has been a good Wonder-building City. We may have to be willing to give up on building Wonders if we put the Heroic Epic there.
An alternative choice might be to build it in our southern peninsula Moai Statues City, after first building a Granary, a Lighthouse, and Moai Statues there, possibly even fitting in a Forge immediately before or after Moai. That's a bit of a delay, but it depends what you want to do: get Military Units now and stop building Wonders (thus putting the Heroic Epic in Edirne) or continue building Wonders and eventually build a Military (thus putting the Heroic Epic--eventually--in our Moai Statues City).
Also, the question becomes: do we beeline Music? That's one spot where games may start to diverge: some people might immediately beeline Music, while I, for one, will probably delay completing research on Literature in favour of getting another tech or two and only later try for Literature + Music... of course, if we do manage to get Marble in trade at some point, I will be more willing to complete research on Literature.
it's a bit shame that those sugars are not riverside, I like to cottage sugar
Since we may or may not go to war within this turnset, we probably will want those Sugar Resources for trading. Therefore, it will probably be worth putting Plantations down on all of them.
Yesterday I was thinking about Music for GA and of course CoL for CHs that are cheap for us and then the usual -> CS should be big
I agree on all of those points and then it just comes down to how long you think that you can safely delay research on Music in pursuit of the others. Or, looking at it another way, if you think that it is worth beelining Music so that you can spawn a Golden Age in time to help fuel research to Civil Service, while still having enough turns (say, 3 turns remaining for safety's sake) in your Golden Age in order to be able to revolt into Bureaucracy to save on the turn of Anarchy.
we have rep, so every city can be positive even if we run out of TR's. And it's better to whip them infrastructure before we switch to caste.
+2
per building will help boost research.
