Memhed II: The indestructable AI

[Joshua368]

Well I found out. Turns out permanently allied civs capitulate like anyone else.

You just get more for your money.

And they stay conjoined even after vassalizing.



Also blarg stupid game when I capitulate everyone I want a conquest victory dangit, not a domination one.

 

[GodBen]

Also blarg stupid game when I capitulate everyone I want a conquest victory dangit, not a domination one.

I capitulated everyone in my most recent game and achieved a conquest victory, not a domination. I only took six cities for myself, I razed the rest or liberated them to my vassals when possible.

 

[Joshua368]

I capitulated everyone in my most recent game and achieved a conquest victory, not a domination. I only took six cities for myself, I razed the rest or liberated them to my vassals when possible.

Yeah I've gotten conquest before, even when the last civ pushed me over the domination limit. Wonder what was different this time... maybe 3.17?

 

[GodBen]

No, I'm using 3.17 myself. Maybe it had something to do with that permanent alliance, although now I'm just grasping at straws.

 

[digitCruncher]

The reason is that, if you simultaneously win domination and conquest victories, then you win the domination one 'first'

Also, for each 2 population, and each 2 plots of land your vassals control, it counts as 1 population, and 1 plot of land, towards the domination threshold.

Basically, this guy was near the domination threshold already, and his last vassal gave him the necessary land to win a domination victory easily... even though he didn't want it Thus he won a domination / conquest win in the same turn, and thus he won a domination win technically.

 

[Joshua368]

Basically, this guy was near the domination threshold already, and his last vassal gave him the necessary land to win a domination victory easily... even though he didn't want it Thus he won a domination / conquest win in the same turn, and thus he won a domination win technically.

Thing is I've done this several times before and got conquest, I think. I'm going to go doublecheck and I'm pretty certain almost all my previous conquest wins simutaniously hit domination.

It's not a big deal, but this win was about a century before all my other conquest wins (they can take longer than domination) so it would've been neat.

I'm actually looking into the code of the hall of fame file to see if I can force it to say what I want. Anyone have any insight of which code decides the victory type it displays?

Edit: Allright, went back and dug up some proof. This was a while ago, 3.13 on the prince level. On this very same turn the last free nation (Washington) capitulated.

Spoiler :

I got a conquest win, though I wager Washington pushed me over the domination limit.

Edit 2: So I went back to my last game on the penultimate turn. I didn't liberate any cities or anything. I capiulated the conjoined civs just like last time, the only thing different is this time I didn't take a free city for peace. Regardless I was well over 70% in both domination thresholds afterwards just like before. Yet this time I got the conquest victory I wanted. Horray chess game!

Bizarre. Is it completely random?

 

[digitCruncher]

Interesting...

That IS wierd. I was under the impression that if you won domination + conquest at the same time, you won domination always...

I can't help you, but I am here to say that I won a conquest victory. Memhed, by far, was the hardest to capitulate (Capitulated 1890, along with Egypt), followed by Germany (1879, but not until losing his colony (India), his 3 greatest cities, and the Confusist Shrine), and Persia (1921, after a 30-turn war). Arabia was LAUGHABLY easy to push over... I started the war in 1892, and 4 turns later, he is my vassal, after losing a mediocre city!! And Rome was almost as bad, capitulating in the same 4 turns, but only after getting smacked down, and losing his second highest cultural city.

Alas, my computer sucks, so the Conquest victory movie sucked, entirely, because I was getting (seriously) 0.5 FPS. Its not great having a slideshow of a nuclear explosion

So, for the people who actually care (thats like 1 person ) that is how the game concluded.

 

[Joshua368]

Alas, my computer sucks, so the Conquest victory movie sucked, entirely, because I was getting (seriously) 0.5 FPS. Its not great having a slideshow of a nuclear explosion

Too bad, it's the best victory movie. YouTube can solve your problem if your computer can handle that.

 

[DanF5771]

Congratulations digitCruncher - time to move up to Prince!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Hey Dan, do vassals count for the land target check (since they don't count towards your power)? That would make sense why it's still relatively easy to roll caps on pangaeas.

 

[DanF5771]

They do indeed -- since they are also always at war with the target their power doesn't matter (which is good because they will certainly be rather weak as your capitulated vassals). So all they need is the long enough border so that the target meets their LandTarget requirement (--> gift cities back).

 

[Yamps]

Wow, such an excellent thread! And I've stumbled on this by accident, following Dan's link from a bug report started by TMIT...

This should go to Strategy & Tips, not to mention War Academy. As should all info by our bellowed guru DanF5771!

 

[OscarWildebeest]

The reason is that, if you simultaneously win domination and conquest victories, then you win the domination one 'first'

This sucks. I just had it happen to me... I wouldn't have minded, but I was specifically going for Conquest (yeah, I know, I should have turned off Domination in the options).

 

[Joshua368]

This sucks. I just had it happen to me... I wouldn't have minded, but I was specifically going for Conquest (yeah, I know, I should have turned off Domination in the options).

It is also incorrect. I've sometimes won conquest victories in the case of simutaniously reaching both conditions. It seems to be chosen at random.

 

[OscarWildebeest]

It is also incorrect. I've sometimes won conquest victories in the case of simutaniously reaching both conditions. It seems to be chosen at random.

Ok, fair enough. In that case: it sucks on those occasions when it happens.