Men in polygamous societies live longer

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/..._wife_and_live_longer/articleshow/3390150.cms

Forget long walks and calorie-controlled diets, the sure shot way to live a longer life is: get a second wife.

That's the conclusion of a new research, which has suggested that men from polygamous cultures outlive those from monogamous ones.

After accounting for socioeconomic differences, men aged over 60 from 140 countries that practice polygamy to varying degrees lived on average 12 percent longer than men from 49 mostly monogamous nations, says Virpi Lummaa, an ecologist at the University of Sheffield, UK.

The latest research might solve a long-standing puzzle in human biology: Why do men live so long? This question only makes sense after asking the same for women, who - unlike nearly all other animals - live long past the menopause.

One answer seems to be a phenomenon called the grandmother effect. For every 10 years a woman survives past the menopause, she gains two additional grandchildren, Lummaa says.

It seems that doting on and spoiling grandchildren aids their survival, as well as furthering some of their grandmother's genes. Men, by contrast, can reproduce well into their 60s and even 70s and 80s, and most researchers assumed this explained their longevity.

But Lummaa and colleague Andy Russell wondered whether other factors explained the long lifespan of men, such as a grandfather effect.

To test this possibility, the team analysed church-gathered records for 25,000 Finns from the 18th and 19th centuries.

People tended to move little, no one practiced contraception and the Lutheran Church enforced monogamy. Only widowed men could remarry, and if they had children with their new wife, they fathered more kids, on average, than men who married once. But ultimately remarried men "don't end up with any more grandchildren," Lummaa says.

"If anything the presence of a grandfather was associated with decreased survival of grandchildren," New Scientist quoted Lummaa, as saying.

Perhaps, Lummaa adds, the children of the first mother lose out on food and resources that go to the second mother's kids.

"It's kind of the Cinderella effect," Lummaa added.

Even fathers with only one wife provided no benefit to their grandchildren, a finding supported by previous research. With the grandfather effect ruled out, Lummaa and Russell next wondered whether the constraints of human physiology explain male longevity. In the same way that men have nipples that evolved for women to nourish their young, male longevity might be a consequence of biological selection for long-lived women.

To answer this question, the researchers compared the lifespan of men from polygamous countries with those from monogamous nations.

Using data from the World Health Organization, Lummaa and Russell scored 189 countries on a monogamy scale of one to four - totally monogamous to mostly polygamous. They also took into account a country's gross domestic product and average income to minimise the effect of better nutrition and healthcare in monogamous Lummaa stressed that their monogamy score is a crude first stab, and they are working to find multiple ways to assess marriage patterns. The conclusions could evaporate under further analysis, she adds.

If female survival is the main explanation for male longevity, then monogamous and polygamous men would live for about the same length of time. Instead, it seems that fathering more kids with more wives leads to increased male longevity. Men, then, live long because they're fertile well into their grey years.

The study has been presented at the International Society for Behavioral Ecology's annual meeting in Ithaca, New York.

Monogamy is a conspiracy against men. :mad:

As an added bonus, even if you don't live longer it certainly would feel like it with two or more nagging wives. ;)
 
Uh-uh. Think about this. It doesn't say men in polygamous marriages, it says men in countries where polygamy is practiced. If, in East Fartistan, one-third of the men have three wives, and two-thirds have no wives (on average), then those lucky bachelors are going to outlive the poor saps with three nagbags wives and throw the curve.

Don't marry - live longer.
 
More sex. More cardio-vascular workout. Makes sense to me! Though Lucy has a point in that might just be more nagging rather than more sex.
 
Actually, monogamy benefits men more than women. The average man, at least. Because if we take average to mean median, then in a highly polygamous society, the average man has zero wives. That's right - zero. All the women are monopolised by the most powerful men, leaving nothing (or worse) for the average man.

In general, monogamy is better for men as a group than women as a group. Because in a society which has no taboo against polygamy, women will always go for the men they can extract the most resources from, whether they be economic or emotional, and these men are always few in number. This is good for women - they as a group get more resources - but bad for men, because so many get left out.

There also exists a mechanism for the resolution of conflicts between a man's wives. In any relationship(s) of this nature, there is always a "primary" woman, who is given an elevated status, as the first among equals, given the status of "wife", and every other woman else is below her in the harem hierarchy, even if there is no formal harem as such. The reason they other women accept this is because they know that the resources they get from being number five or six with Mr. Big are far bigger than the resources they get from being number one and only with Mr. Nobody.
 
There is also a theory that in species with sexual dimorphism in favour of the male in terms of size, which leads to polygamous pairings, males live slightly shorter lives, as the imperative to create, expand, maintain, and defend a harem increases mortality among men because of the murderous competition it creates and induces. This is probably why humans men live a few years less than human women - we're built to peak earlier, and any biological "savings" for old are will probably be a total genetic waste.
 
I think you're taking this research the wrong way. After all, in a polygamous society, if 25% of the men had 4 wives, then 75% of the men would have NO wives. Clearly this indicates that marriage and sex are BAD for our lifespans.
 
I think that the polygamous tradition started because a bunch of the men died in battle or whatever, and the women, being poor helpless creatures needed someone to provide for them. So it was good for everybody... everybody that wasn't already dead. Now that the life expectancy is much higher, the system breaks. The only way this would possibly work is if women could have multiple husbands too, to balance it out. But really, that wouldn't work either.
 
Perhaps it is because men who are able to get more women have better health/intelligence/strength/wealth and are more inclined to live longer due to their attributes?
 
The only way this would possibly work is if women could have multiple husbands too, to balance it out. But really, that wouldn't work either.

He would disagree with you. Each male has three wives, each female has three hubbies.
 
VRWC beat you to that joke, m'fraid.
Sweet Lucy beat us both.

Good. He's finally learning to think like me. He'll become a VLWCAgent yet.

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He would disagree with you. Each male has three wives, each female has three hubbies.

The future will not be like Star Trek... Even still, that is a slightly different because there everyone has 3 spouses, so it really isn't all that different than what we have now, balance-wise. My point is, if there's a guy who's so awesome that women flock to him, and there's a girl who's so awesome men flock to her... wouldn't they just pair up and have an awesome partner all the time?
 
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