Mind Shuttering of the Alt Right

[JollyRoger]

"I do not like what he says, so I advocate for him to be censored. Aren't I a huge democrat and liberal?"
lol

Look over your head and you may see the joke.

 

[christos200]

> Does not addresses the actual argument
> Insults the other person when he is called out for that

Bravo sir! You are a master debater!

 

[Senethro]

I can't honestly get worked up about an intimidator being intimidated and a harasser being harrassed.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I can't honestly get worked up about an intimidator being intimidated and a harasser being harrassed.

Me either.

 

[christos200]

Well, unlike many of you, I do stand up for the right of free speech even for people with which I disagree. Because without free speech and free debate, our democracies erode.

 

[JollyRoger]

> Does not addresses the actual argument
> Insults the other person when he is called out for that

Bravo sir! You are a master debater!

I made a joke about Milo's legal troubles "Right to remain silent"). You missed the joke and now are doubling down on what you claim to abhor - insults.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, unlike many of you, I do stand up for the right of free speech even for people with which I disagree. Because without free speech and free debate, our democracies erode.

As I said, I don't think a hateful scumbag like Milo speaking is the problem. I think the fact that there are people who know that spewing hate speech is his shtick but they still want to listen is a problem.

 

[christos200]

Isn't it their constitutional right to do so?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Isn't it their constitutional right to do so?

Does that have anything to do with what I said?

 

[civver_764]

As I said, I don't think a hateful scumbag like Milo speaking is the problem. I think the fact that there are people who know that spewing hate speech is his shtick but they still want to listen is a problem.

Why is that a problem? Do you think that by impeding them from listening they're going to be less sympathetic to his views?

edit: After doing research on this guy, I don't really see him saying anything hateful. I found this list, but none of that is hate speech.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why is that a problem? Do you think that by impeding them from listening they're going to be less sympathetic to his views?

You are missing the point. "Impeding them" isn't the issue...the fact that they want to listen is the issue. It's like finding your neighbor choking a bunny with a big grin on his face. Sure, he's just making dinner and it was his rabbit raised for the purpose...but you still never want to forget what you're dealing with there.

 

[civver_764]

You are missing the point. "Impeding them" isn't the issue...the fact that they want to listen is the issue. It's like finding your neighbor choking a bunny with a big grin on his face. Sure, he's just making dinner and it was his rabbit raised for the purpose...but you still never want to forget what you're dealing with there.

I get your point, I asked you why it was a problem. So what if people want to listen to him? Are you scared of ideas? The more hate he gets the more I want to listen to him. And I'm struggling to make sense of your bunny analogy.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I've been trolling the comments section of Breitbart and similar cesspools for quite some time. Not continuously, or even frequently, but often enough to keep a finger on the pulse of the disgusting and vile. So I've noticed a trend. Comments that used to get me an assortment of namecalling foul mouthed dingbats raving wildly now seem to just be instantly dismissed with the same epithet; "paid Soros troll." I think one guy might have my name entered into an auto response bot, because his never varying reply is almost instantaneous sometimes.

It seems pretty clear that the word is out in the Alt-Right community that no one really disagrees with them, there are just people who are willing to pretend to disagree with them for payment, and they are really buying into it. This seems to be an escalation of the "you just aren't admitting you agree because you are being politically correct" and other self deceptions they use to convince themselves they are really representing the normal mainstream view.

Anyone else seen anything similar?

The irony of course is the actual army of Russian trolls paid to discredit democrats online to serve Russian interests.

I personally have given up trying to actually convince anyone on the right of anything. My political posts these days are as much to focus my own thoughts on matters as they are intended for anyone to actually read. There is a disturbing amount of intellectual dishonesty and lack of curiosity on the right and I just stopped trying to reach anyone as a result. I'm not saying the left can't collectively put their fingers in their ears and scream 'neener neener' but it seems to be a defining feature of the right. Facts and evidence just don't mean anything so long as alternative facts are a thing.

 

[El_Machinae]

Nah. Don't give up. Sometimes a meme can be seriously neutralized with a well-crafted question or a zinger

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not saying the left can't collectively put their fingers in their ears and scream 'neener neener' but it seems to be a defining feature of the right. Facts and evidence just don't mean anything so long as alternative facts are a thing.

Lies have always been a thing. They're countered* by trust. So what has changed, if something has changed?

*and sometimes enabled

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I get your point, I asked you why it was a problem. So what if people want to listen to him? Are you scared of ideas? The more hate he gets the more I want to listen to him. And I'm struggling to make sense of your bunny analogy.

That guy gleefully killing a bunny is potentially dangerous. He is only restrained from doing something worse through fear of the law, not his own morality.

Someone who says "Oh, boy! This guy is coming to town and he's going to name targets for us to focus our torment on so we can bully them as a pack!" is similar. Their pack bullying on line is only the worst that they do because it is all they think they can get away with. If they ever have a sudden flash of courage, rather than torment their targets on line they will be out chaining them to the back of a car and dragging them, like the real "heroes" of their movement have done.

 

[civver_764]

Someone who says "Oh, boy! This guy is coming to town and he's going to name targets for us to focus our torment on so we can bully them as a pack!" is similar. Their pack bullying on line is only the worst that they do because it is all they think they can get away with. If they ever have a sudden flash of courage, rather than torment their targets on line they will be out chaining them to the back of a car and dragging them, like the real "heroes" of their movement have done.

Hold up a second, isn't 'pack bullying' exactly what people on the left did by preventing him (among others) from speaking..?

That aside, when has this Milo guy ever incited people to "chain someone to the back of a car"? I can't find that anywhere. It seems people just don't like that he has anti-liberal views.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hold up a second, isn't 'pack bullying' exactly what people on the left did by preventing him (among others) from speaking..?

No, that's mutual defense.

 

[civver_764]

No, that's mutual defense.

LOL. Poe's law right here folks.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

LOL. Poe's law right here folks.

When at a loss, try to play to the crowd. No doubt if that crowd were the comment's section at Breitbart they would be applauding your brilliance. Here though I suspect you will have to do a little more than cite a meme.

If three guys roll onto my street looking for a lone target to pick on there is a very good chance they will wind up being beaten down by a mob that vastly outnumbers them. Now, the simple of mind can say "the mob performed the same actions they claim to have been trying to prevent." This is possible because the simple of mind has no grasp of context.