Missing Civilizations

[Tunch Khan]

change that to dido (can't spell). Never thought that hannibal should get the role of leader in civ.

Dido added as leader of Carthage, but you need to give credit to good old Hannibal he has more popularity than every other Carthagenian king or queen. Civ fans love him.

 

[Lachlan]

Normal it's Hannibal the Cannibal

 

[dalek master]

Dido added as leader of Carthage, but you need to give credit to good old Hannibal he has more popularity than every other Carthagenian king or queen. Civ fans love him.

Ok, hannibal it is

 

[UKScud]

Civilization : British Empire

Leader : Queen-Empress Victoria (could use the same images as the English leader)

Capital : London

Flag : Union Jack

Unique Unit : Dreadnought-class warship (see Wiki article) to replace ironclad (does that exist in Civ4?)

Cities : London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Leeds, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, Dublin, Calcutta, Delhi, Belfast, Gibraltar, Ottawa, Singapour, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc etc!

Love this idea, but doubt you would get onto the 'oversea/empire' cities as the number of cities you appear to be able to expand to in Civ 4 is much lower. Would suggest that after 5 or 6 'British' cities (push Edinburgh, Cardiff & Belfast up the list) you continue with just 'oversea' cities. Additional city suggestion: Wasn't Egypt a target of colonial protection in the 1880's? Could Cairo or Alexandria be added to this list?

I think that the Unique Unit definately ought to be navy to represent British domination of the seas at this time. Possibly not Dreadnought though. I would think that a 'fast' unit as opposed to a 'strong' unit might better reflect the reach of the British Navy.

Don't know how many Victorian Great Scientists or Great Engineers will be needed, but here are a few I can think of off of the top of my head.

Scientists: Charles Darwin, James Clark Maxwell, Michael Faraday, Ada Lovelace, Joseph Lister

Engineers: Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Babbage, Guglielmo Marconi (not British, but the Marconi Telegraph Co. was established in London), Sir Henry Bessemer (holds patent for first method for mass-producing steel), Alfred Waterhouse (Architect of London's Natural History Museum- should he be Engineer or Artist?).

Here's some more.

Artists: Charles Dickens, Edward Elgar, Alfred Lord Tennyson, Oscar Wilde.

Prophets: A difficult one to come up with names for. I'm inclined to go for political and social reformers here, rather than those linked with religon. How about Karl Marx (not British I know, but lived and worked over half his life in London. Philosophy inspired British labour movement in the 20th Century)? John Stuart Mill, William Booth (founder of Salvation Army), Benjamin Disraeli (put through the 1867 Electoral Reform Act), William Forster (Compulsory Education Pioneer).

Merchants: George Curzon (reorganised India's finance and commerce), Cecil Rhodes (founded De Beers diamond company amongst many other things), William Gladstone (champion of Free Trade), Sir Thomas Lipton (friend of Victoria's son Edward, Prince of Wales, and who made a fortune from groceries).

OK. So, they weren't off the top of my head. Got a little involved. Love the idea of a British Empire Civ. Perhaps this needs its own thread.

One final thing, perhaps I was lulled into thinking just about Victorian achievements (about 1840 onwards), but there is a whole lot of stuff that happened in the earlier part of the 1800's. Perhaps as an alternate leader we could have George IV, formerly the Prince Regent, who I am sure would have very different characteristics to Victoria (just had a Blackadder-esque moment there).

I think this has lots of potential. Comments?

 

[UKScud]

Civilization : the Iroquois

Leader : Deganawidah, Hiawatha

Capital : Kanadaseagea

Flag : Iroquois stylized banner on purple

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants : Waraghiyaghey, Thayendanega

Great Prophets : Catherine Tekawitha, Neolin

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

Kanadaseagea
Little Beard's Town
Tionontogeh
Onienda Castle
Ganegahaga
Fort Onondaga
Chondote
Cayuga Castle
Canaseraga
Fort Niagara
Allegheny
Oquaga
Chemung
Tioga
Schenectady
Buffalo Creek
Buck Tooth
Caughnawaga
Kanesatake
Grand River
Oswegatchie
Canajoharie
Gandasetaigon
Ganogeh
Gayagaanhe
Gewauga
Kawauka
Kente
Kiohero
Neodakheat
Oiogouen
Oneniote
Onnontare
Owego
Skannayutenate
Canastigaone
Canienga
Caughnawaga
Churchtononeda
Kanagaro
Kowogoconnughariegugharie
Nowadaga
Onekagoncka
Onoalagona
Oquaga
Osquake
Saratoga
Schaunactada
Schoharie
Teatontaloga
Tewanondadon
Tionnontoguen
Unadilla
Awegen
Cahunghage
Canowaroghere
Canowdowsa
Chittenango
Cowassalon
Ganadoga
Hostayuntwa
Oneida
Opolopong
Oriska
Ossewingo
Ostogeron
Schoherage
Sevege
Tuscarora
Solocka
Tegasoke
Teseroken
Tetosweken
Tkanetota
Tolungowon
Ahaouet
Deseroken
Gadoquat
Gannentaha
Gistwiahna
Kanatakowa
Onondaghara
Onondahgegahgeh
Onontatacet
Otiahanague
Teionontatases
Tgasunto
Touenho
Tueadasso
Buckaloon
Canadasaga
Caneadea
Catherine's Town
Cattaraugus
Cheronderoga
Condawhaw
Connewango
Cussewago
Dayoitgao
Deonundagae
Deyodeshot
Deyohnegano
Deyonongdadagana
Deyosyowan
Gaandowanang
Gadaho
Gahato
Gahayanduk
Ganagweh
Ganawagus
Ganeasos
Ganedontwan
Ganos
Ganosgagong
Gaonsagaon
Gaousge
Gaskosada
Gathtsegwarohare
Geneseo
Gistaquat
Gwaugweh
Honeoye
Jennesedaga
Joneadih
Kahesarahera
Kanaghsaws
Kannassarago
Kashong
Kaskonchiagon
Kaygen
Keinthe
Middle Town
New Chemung
Newtown
Nondas
Oatka
Old Chemung
Onnahee
Onoghsadago
Onondarka
Owaiski
Skahasegao
Skoiyase
Sonojowauga
Tekisedaneyout
Tioniongarunte
Tonawanda
Totiakton
Yorkjough
Yoroonwago
Shawiangto

OMG! re: city list. Supposedly the average number of cities in a game of civ4 is 5 - 10. Which were the most important?

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Why add British Empire when you've got England? Perhaps there's a good reason, I just feel it would be similar to adding Soviet to Russia, Holy Roman Empire to Germany, the Spanish Empire (?) to Spain, the Turks to the Ottomans or perhaps Scandinavia to the Vikings. Of course it never hurts to add alternatives but why not just add a different leader or UU and call it "the empire"?

 

[UKScud]

Why add British Empire when you've got England? Perhaps there's a good reason, I just feel it would be similar to adding Soviet to Russia, Holy Roman Empire to Germany, the Spanish Empire (?) to Spain, the Turks to the Ottomans or perhaps Scandinavia to the Vikings. Of course it never hurts to add alternatives but why not just add a different leader or UU and call it "the empire"?

Because...England and Britain are very distinctly two different things.

Plus, English Empire sounds silly. There never has been and never will be an English Empire...OK I think about that for more than one second, and I suppose you might vaguely call Elizabeth I's England, an 'English Empire', with its colonies in America, or the English conquest of Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

PS: I'm not trying to start a flame war here, so no comments about Scotland, Ireland and Wales, please.

What I am trying to illustrate is that the 'British Empire' of the Victorian era is a distinct entity in its own right, and given the cultural exchange between Empire and Britain, I think there is a good case for its creation.

Although, I suppose you do also have a case to say that it isn't really a 'missing civ'. I'm sure that there are a dozen or so other civs that have a case of their own for inclusion in a 'missing civ' thread.

MESSAGE FOR dpaajones. If you really want to put together a British Empire civ, how 'bout's we start its own thread? I've also got a few ideas relating to a British Empire multiplayer game. What do you think?

 

[dalek master]

Because...England and Britain are very distinctly two different things.

Not realy. I don't know why scottland, wales etc. have not been put in, but I just wouldn't work. I was about to add "the british empire" to my game, but I didn't work. Lopen torkel is correct. I would be exactly like adding scandinavia to vikings or soveit to russia. England din't actauly conquer the rest of britan, even if historicaly it did the most conquering, the british countrys kind of merged together. And Recoats were from the British Empire, also pointing out that at that time Britian was actualy a democracy (well, it was learning) and the monarchy that existed was much more of a figure head than a leader. But English Empire does sound silly.

ps. I think the british empire special unit should be the spitfire, being possibly the best and most loved fighter plane of all time.

 

[Kyriakos]

The great canadian artist Pamela Anderson...

 

[UKScud]

Not realy. I don't know why scottland, wales etc. have not been put in, but I just wouldn't work. I was about to add "the british empire" to my game, but I didn't work. Lopen torkel is correct. I would be exactly like adding scandinavia to vikings or soveit to russia. England din't actauly conquer the rest of britan, even if historicaly it did the most conquering, the british countrys kind of merged together. And Recoats were from the British Empire, also pointing out that at that time Britian was actualy a democracy (well, it was learning) and the monarchy that existed was much more of a figure head than a leader. But English Empire does sound silly.

ps. I think the british empire special unit should be the spitfire, being possibly the best and most loved fighter plane of all time.

1) At least we agree that English Empire sounds silly.

2) I'll agree that Lopen torkel has a point. But then, why is America a civ in the game. Barely 200 years old, the Native Americans deserve to be in the product much more surely? They occupied the land before their conquest.

I know this is a mute point. It's an American product, therefore an American Civ is included. And there is no doubting the point that the real 'American Civ' has influenced things globally since about 1900, as the British Empire starts to decline (It's golden age is over) having (perhaps arguably) had the major influence over world affairs during the 1800's.

3) 'The British countries kind of merged together'. Yes, Act of Union 1901, creating a distinct nation with its colonies abroad.

4) Love the spitfire, but I'd say its a little late for British Empire unit.

 

[dalek master]

1) At least we agree that English Empire sounds silly.

2) I'll agree that Lopen torkel has a point. But then, why is America a civ in the game. Barely 200 years old, the Native Americans deserve to be in the product much more surely? They occupied the land before their conquest.

I know this is a mute point. It's an American product, therefore an American Civ is included. And there is no doubting the point that the real 'American Civ' has influenced things globally since about 1900, as the British Empire starts to decline (It's golden age is over) having (perhaps arguably) had the major influence over world affairs during the 1800's.

3) 'The British countries kind of merged together'. Yes, Act of Union 1901, creating a distinct nation with its colonies abroad.

4) Love the spitfire, but I'd say its a little late for British Empire unit.

wahey! I have made an agrrement with someone with only one post! right of passage number 2 out the way

and I think if the dreadonought is early enough then the spitfire is defently ready for action. Remeber that india was still part of the British Empire during WWII, so technicaly spitfire deseveres a place. Spitfire mod here I come.

 

[UKScud]

wahey! I have made an agrrement with someone with only one post! right of passage number 2 out the way

and I think if the dreadonought is early enough then the spitfire is defently ready for action. Remeber that india was still part of the British Empire during WWII, so technicaly spitfire deseveres a place. Spitfire mod here I come.

Agreement #2: I think you're right that India was still part of the British Empire at the time of WW2, but the Empire was certainly past its sell-by date at that time. I mean, these days, our colonial possessions largely consist of penguins in the Falklands! I like the idea of a British Empire Civ focusing on the glory days (as any old imperialist would). But a Spitfire unit would surely be welcome. I'm playing a game of RaR at the moment, and they have 'flavour' units (units that can only be created by one or a few Civs).

Extending the Empire into the mid-20th Century I guess you could include a number of Empire flavour units.

Rule Britannia, I say! Long live the Empire, and God Save the Queen! (Vikky, that is.)

 

[Tunch Khan]

OMG! re: city list. Supposedly the average number of cities in a game of civ4 is 5 - 10. Which were the most important?

I understand you concern, butyou don't need to worry about the long lists, as you just copy-and-paste the whole list and the most important ones will appear first. I just wanted to have an all inclusive list with no repeats. The city names list is the result of a through web search. If it's still too long, just get the first 10-15 names but they won't take up too much space anyway.

 

[UKScud]

I understand you concern, butyou don't need to worry about the long lists, as you just copy-and-paste the whole list and the most important ones will appear first. I just wanted to have an all inclusive list with no repeats. The city names list is the result of a through web search. If it's still too long, just get the first 10-15 names but they won't take up too much space anyway.

Oh, it wasn't so much the long lists that I was worried about, more the fact that in previous Civ versions, I think, the computer always starts naming cities from the top of the list, yes?

If the average game only uses about 5 to 10 of them, I think it makes sense to have the most populus, or important cities at the top of the list. In a previous post about British Empire civ, I suggested using fewer British cities (perhaps 5), and then the rest from Empire. My thought being that it would be unlikely that you'ld ever see the overseas cities as they were lower down the list.

 

[Tunch Khan]

Oh, it wasn't so much the long lists that I was worried about, more the fact that in previous Civ versions, I think, the computer always starts naming cities from the top of the list, yes?

If the average game only uses about 5 to 10 of them, I think it makes sense to have the most populus, or important cities at the top of the list. In a previous post about British Empire civ, I suggested using fewer British cities (perhaps 5), and then the rest from Empire. My thought being that it would be unlikely that you'ld ever see the overseas cities as they were lower down the list.

No you are right about the top of the list and that's why i placed the most important ones on the top, with the capital city being the first.

 

[Tunch Khan]

It would be nice if you guys can suggest some leader traits for Vikings, Celts, Babylonians and Carthagenians. Also great people names for those who don't have enough would be nice. So we can polish and pack the top 5 additions.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

I hope someone mods these in soon, and I hope we can have all of them as potential civs.

 

[Tunch Khan]

I hope someone mods these in soon, and I hope we can have all of them as potential civs.

We'd need some leaderheads as well, and that is going to be the toughest part I believe. The rest should be fairly easy with the World Builder and the XML.

 

[Tunch Khan]

Civilization : Israel / Hebrews

Leader : David - Spiritual and Expansive, favors Hereditary Rule
Solomon - Spiritual and Creative, favors Organized Religion
David Ben-Gurion - Organized and Industrial, favors Universal Suffrage
Golda Meir - Financial and Philosophical, favors Bureaucracy

Capital : Jerusalem

Flag : White, with Menorah emblem

Starting Techs : Mysticism, Agriculture

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Mossad, Merkava, Maccabee

Cities :

Jerusalem
Haifa
Tel-Aviv
Megiddo
Hebron
Jaffa
Ashkelon
Rishon L'Tzion
Eilat
Ashdod
Netanya
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula
Bat Yam
Beersheva
Holon
Petach Tikvah
Safed
Hadera
Herzilya
Raanana
Kfar Saba
Ramat Gan
Rehovot
Ashkelon
Kiryat Gat
Nazareth
Carmiel
Kiryat Shemona
Metulla

 

[Tunch Khan]

Civilization : Abyssinia (Ethiopia)

Leader : Menelek II, Haile Selassie I

Capital : Aksum

Flag : Green, yellow and red tricolor

Starting Techs :

Great Scientists : Meles Zenawi

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Presbyter John, Frumentius, Saint Takla Haymanot

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

Aksum
Matara
Zeila
Adulis
Jarma
Samidi
Gabaza
Sabat
Koloe
Qohayto
Tekondo
Walalah
Addis Ababa
Zala-Bet-Makada
Ham
Etchmara
Gulo-Makada
Haghero-Deragweh
Debre Berhan
Antsokia
Ankober
Entoto
Yeha
Dergouah
Henzat
Maryam Kedih
Anza
Hawzien
Degum
Malao
Opone
Apotopa
Acarre
Pare
Mouza
Ocelis
Napata
Meroe
Djbout
Asmara
Bahir Dar
Dire Dawa
Gamud
Debre Tabor
Asosa
Gambela
Adis Zemen
Nazret
Megalo
Gode
Werder
Geladi
Dolo
Maji
Murle
Tulu Welel
Gimbi
Nejo
Mek' ele
K'ebri Dehar
Degeh Bur
Dese
Imi
Himora
Ak'Ordat
Randa
Debre Birhan
Agaro
Shashemene
Aseb
Boorama
Barentu
Harer
Murle
Yabelo