Seriously, if there weren't conflicting reports about it, I'd doubt the testimony more than if there were. Altered perceptions of a given event are absolutely natural to encounter in any historical context; historiography is the analysis of those conflicting accounts to make some sense out of the whole thing.
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MobBoss
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And in current news, reports today say the sun came up. There are no conflicting reports that this didnt happen.
Proof please.
MobBoss
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Rofl.
Just another example if I were to argue that the sun did indeed come up today, someone around here would argue against it.
And they would still be wrong!
I have no doubt the event you reference above occurred. What is absent is the scale of what he is retelling. Is it limited to a single occurance he saw or was it widespread?
The point remains that Forrest requested the garrison surrender and guranteed their protection if they did. They declined, and according to accounts, didnt surrender during the battle, but were broken en masse with many casualties.
Link to video.
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Xanikk999
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I think the United States should disown Mississippi and kick them out of the Union (Along with some other southern states). 
No loss to us anyway they just breed welfare dependents and churn out idiots from some of the worst public schools in the country.
I would love for the stereotypical international image of Americans not to be based on the worst qualities of the south.
No loss to us anyway they just breed welfare dependents and churn out idiots from some of the worst public schools in the country.
I would love for the stereotypical international image of Americans not to be based on the worst qualities of the south.
Its pretty simple. You can brush aside most of his CW military career in that, he was fighting a war, as they all were. But, did he exceed what is reasonable in that capacity?
The weight of evidence and opinion by historians is that Ft. Pillow was a massacre. In general Af-Am Union soldiers suffered mightily in comparison to white Union soldiers when captured or trying to surrender. This is no different. The motivation is obvious.
Combine this with the fact that while he didn't create the KKK he had an instrumental role (given his cultural prominence in the South following the war) in the development and growth of the KKK. The record does seem to show at some point, for whatever reason, he quit and everafter would deny that he had been a member.
The fact that at the end of his life, he had a change of heart does not undo the damage he did in his life. He does not merit such a recognition.
We can debate that anyone in the CSA does. BUT, if we accept the discussion point that you can honor a CSA figure, there are many, many, many better and more appropriate figures to choose from than one so controversial.
The weight of evidence and opinion by historians is that Ft. Pillow was a massacre. In general Af-Am Union soldiers suffered mightily in comparison to white Union soldiers when captured or trying to surrender. This is no different. The motivation is obvious.
Combine this with the fact that while he didn't create the KKK he had an instrumental role (given his cultural prominence in the South following the war) in the development and growth of the KKK. The record does seem to show at some point, for whatever reason, he quit and everafter would deny that he had been a member.
The fact that at the end of his life, he had a change of heart does not undo the damage he did in his life. He does not merit such a recognition.
We can debate that anyone in the CSA does. BUT, if we accept the discussion point that you can honor a CSA figure, there are many, many, many better and more appropriate figures to choose from than one so controversial.
Japanrocks12
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In addition to that, it's irrelevant if NB Forrest recanted many of his racist views later in life, since he is inextricably tied to one of the most notorious American terrorist organizations of all time.
I think the United States should disown Mississippi and kick them out of the Union (Along with some other southern states).
No loss to us anyway they just breed welfare dependents and churn out idiots from some of the worst public schools in the country.
I would love for the stereotypical international image of Americans not to be based on the worst qualities of the south.
I've kind of lost interest in this thread and haven't read every post but is there any evidence that most people or any significant number even support this license plate? Is there any kind of plan to actually make it?
Rashiminos
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I've got the North Pole on the line. They say they haven't seen the Sun for months.
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