MLDR006 Attack of the PC Crowd

[meldor]

Do we have a settler waiting in case Elephantine gets autorazed?

[EDIT]
Signed up:
Meldor (Playing)
ThERat (On Deck)
LKendter
el_filet
Northern Pike

 

[LKendter]

I am glad the Greek War is over quickly.

Now we can get back to hospitals, churches, and all the nice city goodies before working on pure troops.


With trying to fight as a democracy - Please build police stations in ALL cities for the WW help.

 

[LKendter]

@Northern Pike - The 1400 AD save you posted is bad.
I tried D/L it twice, but Civ won't load it. Can you please repost.

 

[ThERat]

do we want to stay a democracy?

what's our goal? SS or some wars?

 

[LKendter]

do we want to stay a democracy?

what's our goal? SS or some wars?

I think the below variant rules answer this question.


7) Since people are the prime concern we want to be in only to forms of government, Republic or Democracy. We do not have to "beeline" for those techs, but it should be a goal to get them and swap as soon as strategically possible.
9) We must win by domination. Any other victory type is dishonorable. We would rather lose the game than take the easy way out.

 

[ThERat]

I think the below variant rules answer this question.

oh, ok

 

[Northern Pike]

1400 AD, end of turn

 

[Northern Pike]

1400 AD, end of turn

 

[Northern Pike]

Do we have a settler waiting in case Elephantine gets autorazed?

No--but will it autoraze? It certainly got a cultural expansion while the Greeks held it.

 

[plarq]

IIRC,a city in size 1 and no expansion from current owner,also without wonders will get autorazed.

 

[LKendter]

I am happy to report the new 1400AD save works.

Now we just need to wait for Meldor's feast overload to calm down.

 

[Northern Pike]

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[meldor]

1400 AD (0)
Ok, first things first, I steal combustion from Arabia, they don't have oil. I swap Dalls to a temple and rush it. I then rush the factories in Miami and St Louis.
(I) Well, Elephantine doesn't autoraze. I think it will the next time that the Mayans take it. Dallas temple->library, Philly WallStreet->PoliceStation, Chicago Factory->Library, Seattle Arty->PoliceStation, Miami Factory->PoliceStation, Buffalo Hospital->PoliceStation, StLouis Factory->PoliceStation.

1405 AD (1)
Not much to do. Japan has flight so I steal it and then make the money back by selling it to Arabia for $2200
(I)Washington Arty->PoliceStation, NewYork Infantry->IntelAgency, Boston Hospital->Cathedral, Byblos Infantry->Infantry, SanFran Hospital->BattlefieldMedicine, Quakertown Hospital->Harbor, Denver Market->Bank, Cincinnati Aqueduct->Market.

1410 AD (2)
WE clean pollution. Rush a Library and Factory.
(I)Dallas Library->Courthouse, Atlanta Army->Army, Chicago Library->Bank, Abydos Factory->Market, Avaris Arty->Settler

1415 AD (3)
Leave the Army empty and park it. Clean more pollution. Rush some more buildings.
(I)Watch a Mayan rfile kill 3 Greek Infantry and produce a MGL before it dies and the MGL goes with it. Byblos Infantry->Infantry, Philly PoliceStation->Infantry, Hieraconpolis Factory->Market, Asyut StockExchange->Library, Buffalo PoliceStation->Library, Cincinnati Market->Temple,

1420 AD (4)
Not much to do. If you haven't noticed, I haven't been build any more arty. Please remember that we do not want to use it accept as defense.
(I) Abydos Market->Library, Seattle PoliceStation->Cathedral, Quakertown Harbor->Library, Avaris Settler->Cathedral

1425 AD (5)
Get to clean some more pollution.
(I) Rome and Greece make happy. Washington PoliceStation->Infantry, Dallas Courthouse->Market, Byblos Infantry->Infantry, Philly Infantry->Infantry, Asyut Library->Cathedral,

1430 AD (6)
Not much to do this turn.
(I) Quakertown Library->Colosseum, Cincinnati Temple->Bank

1435 AD (7)
I upgrade our one galley to a transport so when I steal from Japan , if it doesn't make it, we can make an island landing.
(I) Washington Infantry->Infantry, Boston Cathedral->Colosseum, Byblos and Philly Infantry->Infantry, Atlanta Army->Army, Chicago Bank->Rax, Buffalo Library->Bank

1440 AD (8)
I get to clean up two pollution spots.
(I) Abydos Library->Bank, Seattle Cathedral->Colosseum, Denver Bank->Library. We get a palace expansion.

1445 AD (9)
Well, the MPP with Japan and Greece is over, I try a steal from Japan and it fails. We are at war and we lost our gems. I then look up the Arabs and they have MassProd as well. I buy it from then for Oil, WM and 1466g. I load up the transport and drop off two infantry and four Cav next to Detriot. Let's see how they fair. I go ahead and start research on MotTran due in 13.
(I)Five Cav and a marine either retreat or die attacking our stack, we lose one Infantry and the other is now elite. Rome declare war on the Arabs. The Mayans take Thessalonca. Washington, Philly Infantry->Infantry, Chicago Rax->Cathedral, San Fran Battlefield Medicine->Colosseum, Asyut Cathedral->Colosseum. The Arabs attempt to plant a spy and fail.

1450 AD (10)
Drop off 4 more Cav and 2 more infantry. They next person now haves 8 Cav to hit the first city.

Signed up:
Meldor
ThERat (Up)
LKendter (On Deck)
el_filet
Northern Pike

 

[Northern Pike]

Good steal results.

If you haven't noticed, I haven't been build any more arty. Please remember that we do not want to use it accept as defense.

The discussion of this point early in the thread was indecisive. Will artillery damage anything in a city except walls, in Conquests? Couldn't we use it on unwalled cities?

 

[plarq]

IIRC,arty will never destroy pop or building(except walls) before redlining all defenders.No exception after hundreds of arty shots.

 

[ThERat]

currently playing and yes, use arty to redline units even in cities

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
MM some, Phila at 60spt plain wasteful, maximise gold there and go for commercial dock at 50spt now
we have 2 unused armies and try and capture inf cities, going to use one of them for Cav's
change some builds (do we really need expensive colloseums?)
Dallas working a 1s mountain, change to engineer
Byblos building a inf thats now short of 2s to complete , change it to police station

IT Maya and Arabia sign against Rome
our elite inf gets killed, but we defeat 2 more attacks and get another elite inf

1.1455AD
though we do not use arty against cities, we could use them to fight of units
attack Detroit, retreat a few, lose one elite Cav, but we capture it

hope we can quell resistance in 1 turn to rush things, send in Cav army and 2 arty
shortrush library in Denver, commercial dock in Philadelphia and Seattle

IT IA is ready, at 40spt New York is perfect Cav factory for the time being
quell 3 resistors in Detroit and it riots, needs to starve since its all unhappy

2.1460AD
arty is ok against units, as long as we don't bomb citizens or buildings
healing turn

IT Atlanta finishes 3rd army, pentagon next
we lose furs from Rome, resistance in Detroit ends, but it riots

3.1465AD
hesitant to renew lux deal with Rome
attack New Orleans with army and Cav

Uxmal is next, lose Cav, but

to increase lux would cost us 100+gpt
get wines from Arabia for 750g

IT bad news, Maya and Japan sign peace
get one bomber attack
Japan fails to steal world map what a waste

4.1470AD

not enough healthy units to capture last Island city
rush temple in detroit, still needs to starve due to unhappiness

IT Maya and Arabia sign MPP
Maya declare on Japan

5.1475AD
Arabs now have MT, we have another 5 turns to go
after losing 2 Cavs

what else do we want to achieve in the war against Japan?
since we want to do research oursleves change builds to universities
plant a spy in Kyoto
the whole world except Rome is fascist, great

IT the immensely inefficient war between Greece and Maya continues. no gains anywhere

6.1480AD
need to increase lux to 10% due to WW, increase science to 80% MT due in 2

IT

and we lose incense

7.1485AD
get a Cav in Boston and scroll forward to avoid riots
defeat one Cav and reduce 2 inf to 1hp each
get our army back to homeland, peace is still not possible with Japan

IT a myriad of Mayan units fail to take Thebes and many Greek infantry enter our territory
we are modern, our spy in Kyoto gets captured

8. 1490AD
Fission would take 18 turns, go for min science and we make 622gpt
capture Rhodes

IT lucky Maya and Greek exchange more units, Greek infantry run towards Byblos
set up as many cities as possinle to 50spt
we get Pentagon

9. 1495BC
fill army with 3 tanks, wait for attack on Elephantine to next turn and heal units
ping all inf instead
rush libaray and temple on island

IT Thebes keeps on shrinking

10.1500AD
attack Elphantine, but fail to take it

we still can't get peace with Japan. was afraid of having deals with Rome as it looked pretty weak. Press on to Greek and we might start to gain a lot of land. army supposed to be prebuild for UN, which we better get.

southern island

attacking zone

 

[LKendter]

though we do not use arty against cities, we could use them to fight of units

4) We cannot bombard anything but military units. If a bombardment has a chance of destroying any building or killing a citizen, it isn't allowed. That means bombers can attack units only, no cities.

Artillery always targets UNITS first in cities. I don't know about the walls exception claimed by some. I will have to experiment with that one. I used artillery during my turn on Rhodes and as longs as a damaged unit was showing MILITRARY ONLY was hit. Please guys, don't make this more painful then needed.

Fission would take 18 turns, go for min science and we make 622gpt

army supposed to be pre-build for UN, which we better gets.

How are we to pre-build the UN with the army if we can't time it for the research of Fission? Are we praying for a successful steal? IMO a steal is an unreliable way to get the UN. Forget trying to purchase a modern age tech. We could still lose this to a vote.


I GOT IT. Maybe play late tonight. It is a busy weekend.

 

[ThERat]

I used arty against any unit , also those in towns

if we want then we go for self research, I had several unis build, but it might take a long time.

 

[meldor]

Please tell me you didn't starve the cities on the island. You mentioned this several times. The screen shot shows Detriot is still at size 3 so I hope you didn't.

Greece didn't do very well in deciding to go to war with us just when we got the tanks...

BTW, the coloseum build weren't for happiness, they were for culture. We will need as much as we can get to match the AI and lower flip chances. Please continue to build culture producing buildings even though it is late in the game.