[mod] TOTAL REALISM 2.0

[Anaztazioch]

@ Hian

Even borbarding undefanded titles dont make u CTD ?
Like your playing differant version of TR
And when you get GP u recive blasie pascals info, or the one that was born ? Exept great prophets as they got their own info.


im going to catch some zzz's now.


Now im gonna use world builder in 5th turn to put cities to make kind of a "city map" that existed in previous version. Gonna play as Russia or Mali on monarch or higher.

 

[WarKirby]

I get the proper GP quote since I installed that hotfix that was released a few days ago. Before that, I got nothing but Blaise Pascal.

I'm playing as russia too just now

WarKirby

 

[mrmistophelees]

is anyone else getting a CTD around turn 350???

I am as well... I think my turn is like 364, but it's around that area too. I am playing Persian on Prince dif. Nobody is at war, so I don't expect that the bombardment bug would occur, but I could be wrong.

 

[purger30]

I have tested bombard with catapult on enemy territory and it works. You cant bombard any unit or tile on yours territory. This is a huge BUG.

Maybe this cause CTD when AI try to bombard enemy units on his own territory.

Human, Mexico

Have you tried this bombardmend thing?
Maybe this cause CTD?

 

[Mexico]

Human, Mexico

Have you tried this bombardmend thing?
Maybe this cause CTD?

yes, this is a huge bug, but don't lead to CTD - only logical problem

 

[Hian the Frog]

Hi all,

About religion. As WarKirby (if i well remember) says there are big problems with religion spreading. I agree with him about the non spreading of other religions than Buddism. In one of my game with Japan on Earth Map, i found Buddism and convert everybody unless India (Hinduism), Spain (Zoroastrism), Egypt (Jewish) and Arabia (Catholicism). Something is wrong with the spreading of religion... and had to be change.

@ Anaztazioch:
I don't test the bombarding of undefended titles. So, i can't give you an answer. I will try to have a look at that in a future gameplay. Nevertheless, i really don't have any CTD. No more i have problems with GP. All my GP are showed by the right picture, i can move them, i can use them....no prob in fact. Strange.

The Frog.

 

[Anaztazioch]

@ Hian

x_x
I want no CTD too.
I dont remember the turn, but its about 840bc (autosave name).


And as for speading religions, its good that its hard to spead them, as 8its bot likeall world have Zoroastralism, 1 have Judaism, and one of Zoroastran country also have Holy City of Hinduism. An there is no chance for later religions like Taoism, Cristianity, Islam to spead and have their state.
The older religions need to spead Only whith missionaries.

 

[Hian the Frog]

What about more religions? I am thinking here of the inclusion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, Protestant Christianity, Zen Buddhism and Shiite Islam for starters. Protestantism has been added in another mod, that much i know. Its just that if we add 'variants' like this, we dont need new buildings, except for the great building added by great prophets. We all know how many schisms there have been in religions, and the inclusion of the successful ones adds a nice dose of realism to the mix.

All,

Los Tirano's idea is my greatest wish. Many wars were made under the name of such a god (or group of gods). Adding new religions would be a great thing. With only 7 religions, owning a holy shrine is a very powerfull bonus (money, money,...) and it's often the owners of such a shrine that are among the best foe. So adding new religions (and new holy shrine) would increase the number of dangerous foes. Furthemore, it would be interesting if maluses between schismatic religions (Sunii and chiite, Protestant and catho, catho and orthodox) will be greater than with regular religion. Even today, there are still some problems between religious group (Orthodox and catho, Sunni and Chiite for exemple).

I had read in an other mod thread (if i well remember) than adding new religions is nearly impossible. Is that right or not ? I don't know....

The Frog.

 

[Anaztazioch]

New religions dont know. But i seen more civics, like 8 goverment civics instead for 6, 10 eniviormentalism like civics instead of 6, and 9 religion civics instead for 6.
In some mod, it was russian and english mod or something.???

Alas, no religion civics are "safe" from religious ones. But we cant forget that no religion is actually poganism, and has their own minor gods. The crusades were made against them also. Poland converted to Cristianity to avoid and stop Cristian crusades against them. Russia was allways a threat, as the were pogans, and might attack us any time.
So for diplomatic there should be like "-3 you have no religion".

Also is there a way to eraze "-1 you declared war on us" ? or it last to the end of a game ? If thts in reality im suprised England and France havent nuked them selves allready

 

[WarKirby]

If it is possible to add new religions, I would love to see Atheism.

In exchange for the loss of the culture/happiness bonus you could get a decent research bonus!

WarKirby

 

[Hian the Frog]

Anaztazioch,

Poland probably converted to Christianism to avoid crusades; but fews centuries later Polishes troops were among the best one to defend Roman Christianism against Islam (Khanat of Crimea, Ottoman Empire), Orthodox Church (Russia) and Protestant Church (Germany, Kurland, Sweden). Polish Knights were also feared in eastern europe. Alone, they saved Europe by destroying the Ottoman armies that besiedged Vienna. Poland and Polish are deeply Roman Christian. That's in their history.

About a Pagan Temple. It could be a good idea. A temple that gives only a +1 happiness and culture and be obsolete when you convert to a "true" religion. I like this idea because i didn't understand why civs such as Aztecs and Incans could not receive religious and culture bonuses if not converted to a religion of civ4. These civs were very developed when the Spanishes conquered them. They had their own culture and gods, even if not developed in civ4.

The frog.

 

[THARN]

anyway, bug when game crashed if siege unit perform bombrd to empty (non-defended) tile is solved, this will be in next emergency patch (monday afternoon GMT). other bugs (heli can't carry units etc... in next patch, now i have top priority for solving this CTD)

if there is someone, who is able (have much free time ) help me with testing this CTD savegames, i will be very happy - PM me (need to pick every civ in game and try to pass CTD turn and look for any conditions which can cause CTD)

Mexico-
Try setting up in WB two ai at war- one with a ship inside it's city that is being bombarded from land by the other AI. see if when the AI that has the ship takes its turn if game crashes. of course both Civs should be on Auto- not actual player.

 

[Mexico]

after settings some debug messages i found this:
3 from 5 saved games (earth map) was crashed when starting turn of Isabella,
no GP or catapult related problem
is there any player, who played map as isabella? got CTD?
or can someone play game with this?
(now i am setting more details in debug messages, stay tuned ...)

 

[Los Tirano]

Hian is right about the Aztecs and Incans having their own very developed religions. They may not have had cavalry or gunpowder, but they did have huge temples to their many Gods. The conquistadors made a lot of effort to wipe these 'false' idols out. It would be great to bring them into this. Reskinned hinduism buildings perhaps? The great temple of Hinduism (Kashi whatever) and the mausoleum of mausollos seem appropriate, as some buildings.

But i would still like to see the Egyptian pantheon as another religion. Eye of Horus as the religions icon. Great religious building would be a temple city or necropolis, lots of small pyramids and obelisks covering a decent area around the city.

 

[JahtheIII]

Similar to others, it was 612 AD, playing as the russians, TR World map, CTD.

I'm going to start a game as Isabella and try to push through as fas as possible to this time frame.

Was also about to get Civil Service(?) I think on the turn it crashed. No wars were active (was at war with JC, restarted settled war, still got CTD, no other wars were active on the crash).

Sent the save game and the a save a few turns prior to the bugs@gmail address.


I'm just wondering if we have anyone who has play through a whole game on the Earth map since the update and patch? Or have only random maps been played all the way through?


Thanks for all the hard work guys!

 

[Hian the Frog]

All,

Still big problems with religion spreading . In my last game (Terra map, 10 civs, Large, Prince level) no other religions than buddism spreaded. It's very annoying. As an Hinduist, i was at war with at least 2 civs at time. Other AIs that were jews and zoroastrian were wiped by alliances of buddists.... Why does Buddism spread so fast and not other religions ?

About religion: adding Egyptian Pantheon seems difficult for me. I explain. Who believed in this gods unless Egyptians ? Some guys in Syria or middle east, perhaps some in Nubia. No more. I would rather saw an old Pantheistic Religion which more or less include faiths of Romans, Greeks, Phenicians, Babylonians,.... In fact, a Pantheistic Religion of old civs of Eastern mediterannean Sea. I would also like the same thing for Religions of Meso-America and Andan America. And to finish, all schimatic religions (Orthodox Church, Protestant Church, Shiite ) from the two majors of today's world. It's a whish, probably more a dream...

The Frog

 

[Hian the Frog]

All,

Still no CTD. What do you do to CTD ? I don't understand why it happens with you guys and not me.....
I have played yesterday as Spain on Earth TR with no problems (unless my french neighbor,....boring guys those Frenchmen )

The Frog.

 

[noid]

maybe after reaserching some tech there would be a split of religion, ie reformation.. A new religion would be born and all civs that have christianity as state religion could suffer from some unhappiens.. same could be done with orthodox and islam (shi'a and sunni) i dont know how bout other religions..

 

[Ankenaton]

All,

Still big problems with religion spreading . In my last game (Terra map, 10 civs, Large, Prince level) no other religions than buddism spreaded. It's very annoying. As an Hinduist, i was at war with at least 2 civs at time. Other AIs that were jews and zoroastrian were wiped by alliances of buddists.... Why does Buddism spread so fast and not other religions ?

About religion: adding Egyptian Pantheon seems difficult for me. I explain. Who believed in this gods unless Egyptians ? Some guys in Syria or middle east, perhaps some in Nubia. No more. I would rather saw an old Pantheistic Religion which more or less include faiths of Romans, Greeks, Phenicians, Babylonians,.... In fact, a Pantheistic Religion of old civs of Eastern mediterannean Sea. I would also like the same thing for Religions of Meso-America and Andan America. And to finish, all schimatic religions (Orthodox Church, Protestant Church, Shiite ) from the two majors of today's world. It's a whish, probably more a dream...

The Frog

As for religions check out the many religions found in TAM...disagree with your opinion on Egyptian Pantheon. The Phoenecian and Babylonian Pantheons have a lot of deriative elements from the Egyptian Pantheon. And even if it were just limited to Kush (Nubia), Khemet (Egypt) and their vassal states in the near east. Also its not as if Egypt were some backwater; it is one of the cradles of civilization. Again check the TAM site to get some ideas for increased religions.

 

[Anaztazioch]

I played as Mali. 700 bc or so (around 240 turn) an empror (omg teh maintanace). Had no crash, just nee a fresh air... frted in my room beyond belief