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Hiram
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Amazing work! I'm guessing that Hawaii will overwrite the Polynesian civ?
Bonus points if you can tell me what civ each one is for! (The maps don't count, they're too obvious)
So I'm guessing the Nazca aren't getting a Unique Unit. Puquios as their Unique Building and the Geoglyphs as their Unique Improvement?
You got +1 Bonus Point! ... Now really, yeah, that's a nice Nazca Puquios icon. Pouakai decided to risk it and make a very unique civ without a UU.
, oh and look a festive emoticon
SuperWaffle247
Secretary General
Interesting! I've been awaiting a civ without a UU.
Looks like Pouakai is planning to break up the Polynesia Blob. So we're getting the Kingdom of Hawaii led by Kamehameha and Rapa Nui (led by Hotu Matu‘a?) definitely. I'm also guessing we're getting Aotearoa because 1) Pouakai can recycle the current Polynesian UU, 2) his national pride demands it, 3) the Maori are a prominent Polynesian culture, and 4) that brown icon looks familiar. Hawaii (leader), Rapa Nui (UI), and Aotearoa (UU) take care of all the current Polynesian assets so I'm guessing that's all we'll be getting. Those three, plus the Nazca and wherever the horseman is from bring us up to the "about five civs" Pouakai mentioned. If we're lucky there will be an extra Polynesia civ or two as well. The Tuʻi Tonga Empire would be a great addition as well.
Also, I fully support the decision to make the Nazca without a UU. I get more use out of Buildings and Improvements anyhow.
EDIT: Figured out a bit more. Looks like Hawaii will be getting Heiau as its Unique Building. More specifically the image is based on the Ahuena Heiau. The boat is a waʻa kaulua, and I'm leaning toward it being Hawaii's Unique Unit. It's a design that could be used for almost any Polynesian culture really, so it might be Rapa Nui's Unique Unit instead. I'm hoping its not Aotearoa / The Maori's because I want them to have either a pā as their Unique Building or a waka taua as a second Unique Unit.
Might as well make a guess on our horseman friend as well. Are you planning on breaking up India? I'm guessing he's a Tabinan, a new Unique Unit for the Mughal Empire. If you are breaking up India, then I'm guessing the plan is to recycle the War Elephant as the Maurya Empire's Unique Unit, the Mughal Fort as the Mughal's Unique Building, and Gandhi as the leader of the modern Republic of India.
Off to a good start with this analysis...
1) More or less, I'll be making a few changes to it (Taiaha time
) 2) Of course 3)And NZ is the largest Polynesian island group with the largest Polynesian city in the world (Auckland) 4) It would look even more familiar if you were familiar with NZ currency.I'd change that "about five civs" to "at least five civs". I'd love to have a central Polynesian empire like the Tu'i Tonga to take care of the UA, but it'd be difficult with the Naval UU using the same model and getting them all unique enough. The three main Polynesian civs are unique enough that they can be reasonably different, but once you start getting into the middle they're fairly similar. I suppose I could give the Naval UU to Tonga and give them a Marae UB or something, that could work. But then the UU would be using the same icon as the UA, and that would be awkward.
Yeah, we couldn't find any info on the military of the Nazca, so I decided to have them pacifist.
Not bad, not bad at all. We've got some ideas for a Maori UI and a Rapa Nui UU, both of which are land-based. The Pa is probably better suited as a UI, while I can't quite remember what the UU for Rapa Nui was...
Close... the Horseman is for an India pack, but it's not for the Mughals. Their UU is much, much cooler. The civ the horseman is for has two UU, and a UA which will hopefully relate to Guerrilla warfare somehow. The Maratha have an awesome secret UU, the Mughal Fort as a UB (which we need a better name for) and I'm thinking a cultural / Golden Age related UA. The Mughal Fort is replaced in Modern India with a UU:
I hadn't thought of the Maurya for the India pack, I might see if we can include them so India (as a pacifist civ) doesn't have two UU. We had a guy complaining that the Champa weren't included as well, but that might be making it too big.
TPangolin
Just the worst person
India's UU has some pretty sweet walkie-talkies.
I would LOVE to do the Mauryans! Ashoka as the leader would be awesome! A warlord who turns religious and repentant then brings about an era of peace and prosperity for his empire and Buddhism; they're the epitome of classical India.
The Champa we can save for later I'd say; they're Southeast Asian geographically speaking.
The Champa we can save for later I'd say; they're Southeast Asian geographically speaking.
I wouldn't give Maurya a Golden Age after Peace unless it came with some restrictions. I think a free Great Prophet after capturing your first enemy capital and some sort of Missionary bonus would work as a UA for Asoka. For a UB, they could have the Pillars of Asoka, a Courthouse repalacement that gives a Happiness bonus and can be built with Faith, even in non-conquered cities... assuming something like that is doable.
Tomatekh
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I know I've been taking forever to release any new stuff, but I am still working on my Champa civ if that affects/helps any of your plans.
It's actually about 70% coded and in a somewhat playable version at the moment; I just haven't really collected most of the art yet which has slowed my motivation to finish coding it. (I have a map thanks to Sukritact, the unit graphic is being converted, and I did a civ icon. Unfortunately the big things of the leader scene, UI graphic and button, and UU button still need to be done).
Although I agree with Sukritact. Champa more properly belongs in a Southeast Asia civ pack along with Burma, Khmer, and Vietnam mods than in an Indian civ pack.
At one point I was planning a Tu'i Tonga civ, but the inability to make UU models (is this still a thing?) turned me off from going anywhere past the planning stage.
I was going to do a Tongiaki fishing boat for the UU, and a Langi burial tomb for the UB.
Well that settles it! It fits with having civs starting with "M" too!
Maybe the GP thing and 'Golden Age points accumulate faster while at peace'?
Whoops, I think I might have meant Chola - Champa is definitely SE Asia, but Chola's a South Indian dynasty
My current plan is to use the model from the Polynesian embarkation for the UU, but I think that could be changed to a regular outrigger. I thought you were going to give the UU model graphic thingy for naval units a try to see if it's fixed?
Don't hate the Gurkhas, you really don't want to be on their bad side...
I like that a lot. Encourages early aggression followed by long bouts of peace. Very Mauryan.
Chola would be a nice way to represent Dravidian peoples and their significant contributions to Indian history. Though if you want to keep the M-theme you apparently have going, you could go with the Muventar ("the Three Crowned Kings") or Mūvarulakam ("The World of the Three") - a political alliance formed by the three dominant nations of Tamilakam, of which Chola eventually became the most dominant and expansive.
What exactly with the outrigger do? They're not really combat vessels so I have a hard time imagining them replacing the trireme or caravel. Cargo ship replacement maybe? It might be better to save it for the hypothetical Tonga UA and give Hawaii a new Unique Something.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, the new civs currently planned for this pack are these:
The Mughals, with a "much, much cooler UU".
The Unknown Civ (Misl), with the horseman, another UU (Jatha?), and a Guerrilla UA. (The UA gave it away, the M-theme confirmed it).
Maratha, with a secret UU and the to-be-renamed Mughal Fort UB
Modern India, with (at the moment) the War Elephant and the Gurkha
Awesome, I'll see what the others think (and even if it's possible)
The M thing is just a coincidence, since both of the new civs start with M so far. Chola would be good, if only to break that
What I was thinking of doing was having it fill the same role as the existing Polynesian UA - Ocean movement. Maybe do something like the Hakkapellita(sp?) does, and have it so that units which start on the same tile may enter ocean tiles? Allows whomever has it to colonise early with outrigger escorts
Not bad, but quite a bit off at some points. Why would the Maratha have a UB with the word "Mughal" in the name, when the Mughals are one of the civs? Also, I love your reasoning for the Misl, but unfortunately they aren't one of the civs. There's modern India, then (originally) two civs beginning with M, now apparently three and maybe the Chola too
SuperWaffle247
Secretary General
I absolutely believe that the Mauryans should be included. In fact, I was surprised that they were not part of your original plan. The new Polynesian Civs look great, too. I know next to nothing about the region, except that the Maori and Moai should not, historically, be in the same Civ, with Kamehamea as their leader.
I'm curious if you have any plans for China, given what you're doing with India and Polynesia.
I'm curious if you have any plans for China, given what you're doing with India and Polynesia.
The original plan was for just the Mughals, with the Gurkha coming in because of the Mughal fort. But it kind of snowballed
No plans for China as of yet, we've got Polynesia and India as the main ones, with Irkalla working on a Greece pack with Athens, Sparta and Macedon in it. I'm also toying with the idea of turning Germany into Prussia and the HRE, but that would be a lot further down the track
Maratha wouldn't have a UB with Mughal in the name. From what you said earlier ("The Maratha have an awesome secret UU, the Mughal Fort as a UB (which we need a better name for) and I'm thinking a cultural / Golden Age related UA.") They get the fort, but it's going to be renamed, as I mentioned in list.
There were four Civs in your previous comment though, right? The Mughals, the Horseman's Civ, the Maratha, and Modern India?
Oh whoops, I meant the Mughals when I said that. The Mughals have an awesome secret UU, the Mughal Fort as a UB and I'm thinking a cultural / Golden Age related UA. Hopefully that clears it up, and my previous post makes more sense