MP9 - AWE Pangaea, Austria

[killercane]

IT we defend against those units losing only 1, Babylon is dropping 4 knights at Goigouen
and shows up with 23 knights in the south, will delay expansion until that stack is cleared

Hmm these emperor AIs are either on steroids or too many AW games are playing with the Rat's mind.

 

[Leha]

and shows up with 23 knights in the south

What the ..... is going on here?

BTW, got it, will play tomorrow... knights or not knights

 

[ThERat]

Hmm these emperor AIs are either on steroids or too many AW games are playing with the Rat's mind

sorry guys, forgot to delete that line from another SG...don't worry, there are no knights, in fact I have cleared almost all units, keep on expanding, things look good

 

[MeteorPunch]

A little thought. In normal games I prefer horsemen nine times out of ten to swords. The retreat, extra movement, and better upgrading makes them more worthwhile to me. I'm finding in AW games that I have several out of date units running around and no cash for upgrading.

So I'm thinking now that in the AA the best units are spear, catapults and archers. When Iron is available, no more archers, only swordsmen. The units can be upgraded cheaply for 30 gold each.

Are horses worth building in AW for their retreat and extra movement?

Roster
MP
ThERat - just played
Leha - up
Beorn - on deck
markh

 

[ThERat]

Are horses worth building in AW for their retreat and extra movement?

It might be ok to build the odd one, a few horses can help to clear the last unit of a stack since they can retreat afterwards. But, I agree, swords for now, then MDI and later knights. Once we can get knights, we would want many of them.

I connected the horse to work that tile itself. For now, I think we should really expand towards the choke in the east. I am surprised how weak the AI response is so far. Maybe I played too many AWDG or AWD

 

[Leha]

I am surprised how weak the AI response is so far

May be they have several wars running already.

 

[Leha]

Preturn

Hmm, I see sumerians ploped city on our gems... they will pay for this.

975 BC (1)

Salzburg - settler-->sword.
Innsbruk sword-->sword.
Science 50% - Math still in 2 turns

950 BC (2)

Here come 2 sumerian archers
Vienna settler-->sword
Science 20%

925 BC (3)

Learn Math start Writing at 80% (8 turns)
Lienz walls-->cat

900 BC (4)

Here comes first sumerian horseman.
England builds Newcastle in the chock point.
Lux 30%

925 BC (5)

Sumerian archer attacks across river and kills spear in Graz

875 BC (6)

Kill sumerian archer (our archer redlines)

850 BC (7)

Vienna sword-->sword
Krems rax-->spear.
Kufstein is built on the hill near iron, starts walls.
Bischofshofen is built.

IT

Sumeria start HG.


825 BC (8)

Kill sumerian horse.

800 BC (9)

Sumerian archer dies on our sword in Graz.
Innsbruk sword-->worker
Science 60%
Kill sumerian archer

775 BC (10)

Get road to silks
Kill sumerian archer
Lux 20%

Notes: Vienna can pop another settler after sword.

SAVE

 

[MeteorPunch]

everything's looking good. switch Vienna to worker after the sword. I'd prefer to keep Vienna under pop 7 because it has a granary and can build workers/settlers as needed. Other cities, especially Salzburg, can go above pop 6 for a better production core.

I see England has decided to build on the choke for us...is this a good thing? Are there any strategies we could use to take advantage of this? Perhaps a couple fortresses with 1-2 spears and an archer or catapult would deter them from coming that way at all?

Notice anything scary about this pic?

England is in the middle ages.

Since I haven't posted on in a while:
MP
ThERat
Leha - just played
Beorn - up
markh - on deck

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Hmmm already, alright, will be done over the week-end for sure.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Spoiler turnlog :

Pre-Turns: Take out an archer for a sword promotion (5/5)
Bump writing up and get it this turn.

IT: englsih reg archer and warrior show up. So much for Mrs Middle Ages.

T 0. [1-0]
Add archer MP to Vienna for 3 turns growth + settler
Research on Lit, 12 turns with a positive budget
Clear 1 archer 1 horseman from the Sumerians

T 1. [3-0]
Lose an archer killing the english newcomers, spear takes out the redlined misfit for a promotion (5/5)
Sum reg horse retreats us.
Lit now in 10, thanks to growth and roads.
IT:

T 2. [5-1]
Send reinforcements and a settler towards the NE
Send scouts around over the mountains to see what's up out there.

IT: english archer shows up.

T 3.
2 Sum archers taste our swords.

IT: reg sum horse suicides on a scout sword

T 4. [8-1]


T 5.

IT:HG and ToA completed

T 6.
IT: English complete SoZ

English and sumeria keep sending warriors and swordsmen, respectively.
Sumerian settler pair spotted, out of range of any offensive arms however.

T 7.
Deter a few naked 1D troops
Found Eisenerz on a hill to the N.
With 2 MP's, Vienna is a 7 turn swordsmen-settler pump, which is arousing

IT: Zulus and englishs send 2 archers each

T 8. [11-1]
Take one zulu archer, 2 english ones.

IT: Sum archer dies off a vet sword scout on a mountain

T 9. [15-1]
Swordsman promotion against the second zulu archer (2/5)

IT: Zulu impi suicides on us

T 10.
Break every specimen out the latest Zulu designs for ancient age bows. They blow just as much as every other we've encountered so far [18-1]

Literature next turn, research is at 20%.
If we want to merge more workers into Landeck, we'll need to bring MP in it, and we need the few troops we've got over there.
Sumeria has a heavy (1 vet 1 reg sword, 1 reg archer, more coming shortly in all likeliness) line of attack around the corner, prepare for some tough brawls soon.
It might be wise to send a lot of troops onto the hills and mountains to prepare for the sumerian assault forces, in hopes they go around through the plains, which would be better for us; however if they attack us straight up, our chances would have been better in the city. I'm not sure about the course of actions there so I leave it to be discussed.
Salzburg is working on the FP, but it can be reverted to a sword with no loss.

Where we send that new settler is also matter of discussion. Push Landeck to pop 7 ? Found somewhere in the remote NE? Found under the nose of Sumeria?
The Save

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Notable Wonders' situation:
- SoZ is owned by England in London (E)
- Pyramids are in Bapedi of the Zulu (S)
- ToA is in Zimbabwe (S)
- HG is in Sumer, as is the Oracle (NW)

 

[MeteorPunch]

I've made an attempt at a dotmap. It's not that great, but it's the terrain's fault.

We need to improve the terrian around Landeck (Great Library), and then merge workers. Question though: Research horseback riding next, or shut science off, pinning all our hopes on the Great Library?

I'd also like to say that I think we are stretched thin militarily. We will be up against MA units soon, and we will be fighting with AA units until the GL gets built...assuming it does, so things will be getting rougher. Despite my dotmap, I don't really think we need more than 1-2 more cities max.

Keep Vienna on sword->worker production at under size 7.

Roster
MP - on deck
ThERat
Leha
Beorn - just played
markh - up

 

[markh]

I got it.
What about research ? I think there will be still quite some time until TGL can be completed, so I would go on researching. When it is completed we can shut it off.

 

[MeteorPunch]

Is there anything worth researching? That's the question to me. Monarchy is the only tech we need in the AA until the great library completes...again, assuming it does.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

I think we should go min research towards monarchy, so that at least, not all is lost if we blow it.

 

[markh]

550Bc : end of Beorn's turns
Hire a taxman in Lienz to prevent riots

IBT : Sumerian swordsman dies attacking our spearman on the mountains at Bischofshofen
Lit is in -> poly at min

1) 530BC : Landeck is changed to The Great Library
Archer kills Chinese spearman at Bischofshofen

IBT : Sumeria seems to head for Krems and Eisenerz as these cities are undefended, low defended
an English archer dies attacking Kufstein
Krems completes swordsman -> swordsman

2) 510BC : Change Salzburg from FP to swordsman, we need any troops we can get

IBT : Salzburg completes swordsman -> swordsman

3) 490BC : eSwordsman kills Zulu archer

IBT : Vienna completes swordsman -> worker
Kufstein completes barracks -> swordsman
Sumetian MI comes into view

4) 470BC : archer kills enkidu warrior
vet swordsman kills Sumerian swordsman
eSwordsman kills Sumerian archer, we have a first leader, army is built
eSwordsman kills Sumerian archer

IBT : Sumerian archer dies attacking our elite swordsman

5) 450BC : eSwordsman kills Zulu archer
archer kills English archer
swordsman kills Zulu archer -> promotes to elite

IBT : Suemrian MI dies attacking our swordsman
Vienna completes worker -> swordsman


6) 430BC : raise lux to prevent riots in Salzburg and Landeck
some troop movement

IBT : English AC appears at choke
Innsbruck completes swordsman -> swordsman
Eisenerz completes walls -> worker
Zulus begin work on Sun Tzu

7) 410BC : swordsman kills Zulu archer

IBT : spearman defends against AC, AC retreats
Salzburg completes swordsman -> swordsman
Zulu complete The Pyramids
Sumerians begin work on The Great Library

8) 390BC : eSwordsman kills Egyptian archer
eSwordsman kills Zulu archer
archer kills Chinese spearman
swordsman kills English AC

IBT : swordsman lost against English archer
Vienna completes swordsman -> worker
Byz complete Mausoleum

9) 370BC : archer kills English archer
swordsman kills English archer -> promotes to elite
army kills Sumerian archer
army kills Sumerian archer
eSwordsman kills Zulu archer
archer lost against Chinese spearman
eSwordsman kills Chinese spearman

IBT : Vinna completes worker -> swordsman
Graz completes swordsman -> worker

10) 350BC : swordsman lost against eImpi
eSwordsman kills Zulu archer

Here is a pic. I merged some workers into Landeck which works all workable tiles. Hopefully Sumeria will not build TGL first. The wonders in built in between did not raise our chances. I left the army unmoved, so next player can choose whether to attack the city or the MI and the city or have it healed. Below the two swordsmen S of the army is a settler. I think we should push towards the Sumerians. Anyway we have to expand otherwise it will get at least hard to win this. The English choke gets hotter. She constantly lands units now.

 

[markh]

Here is the save.

Roster:

markh - just played
MP - up!
ThERat - on deck
Leha
Beorn

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Army !
My idiot's first thoughts are that we could use it to clear away oncoming offensive MDI's while the standard swordsmen can take cities and land with less pain.

 

[Leha]

We need cats

 

[Own]

lurker's comment: Beorn, I think you should instead use cats and swords for defense, and have the army take the cities out. That's traditional AW technique