MRex's Brilliant Plan

[Micaelis Rex]

OK, I just thought this up, it seems brilliant, atleast on paper.

As soon as Poly is a turn away from taking Catchopolis, we go to GCA, and ask for peace. In exchange for peace, they must gift us the chokepoint city. This will block off Poly and give GCA's final city or two protection from that huge Poly army. We stock the chokepoint city with about 5 veteran pikemen, to seal the deal.

To get Poly's approval for this plan, we promise them 4 things, and they promise us 1 thing. One, they can have all of GCA's territory east of the chokepoint city. Two, they can have most of the undeveloped northern land. Three, we promise to take out the final GCA city, to fulfill the deal with CDG. Finally, we promise to vote for them in the UN, assuring their victory since there will only be 3 civs left alive at that point. Poly agrees not to attack us for the duration of the game so long as we don't cross the borders that will be set by this treaty. This will give us much needed security.

Yes, this will severly limit our empire, giving them a bigger one, but reality is that we aren't giving them anything they don't already have. We cannot settle the northern area as fast as them, and even if we get a city or two down, we couldn't defend them. Instead, let us defend our cities well, and prepare for the endgame.

Our hopes for victory is to build a spaceship, which is a possibility if we can stay even on tech to Poly and CGN/GWT. We have some nice land, which will eventually produce nicely for us, so a spaceship victory isn't that far-fetched.

Now if we don't do this, we will get less land as Poly will get the chokepoint city, and will eventually attack us to give them a powerful enough base to out research GWT/CGN to a spaceship finish. Of course this will not happen tomorrow, but it will happen eventually.

 

[Bootstoots]

Originally posted by Micaelis Rex
OK, I just thought this up, it seems brilliant, atleast on paper.

As soon as Poly is a turn away from taking Catchopolis, we go to GCA, and ask for peace. In exchange for peace, they must gift us the chokepoint city. This will block off Poly and give GCA's final city or two protection from that huge Poly army. We stock the chokepoint city with about 5 veteran pikemen, to seal the deal.

To get Poly's approval for this plan, we promise them 4 things, and they promise us 1 thing. One, they can have all of GCA's territory east of the chokepoint city. Two, they can have most of the undeveloped northern land. Three, we promise to take out the final GCA city, to fulfill the deal with CDG. Finally, we promise to vote for them in the UN, assuring their victory since there will only be 3 civs left alive at that point. Poly agrees not to attack us for the duration of the game so long as we don't cross the borders that will be set by this treaty. This will give us much needed security.

Two major problems with this proposal:
1. First and foremost, GCA would almost certainly not give us Balance of Power regardless of how dire their situation is. They would likely prefer to either go down fighting or retire and have the city razed.
2. The diplomatic victory plan would likely not work because there would be in actuality four civilizations at the end of the game, barring a huge war between the giants CGN and GWT or Poly conquering us, in which case this would be pretty pointless anyway. It is highly unlikely that Poly would secure more than two out of four votes at the UN and achieve diplomatic victory.

 

[Vander]

Damn you boots!! MRex had me going!! Why did you have to prove it was bad off paper??

 

[Hygro]

How can we have achieve diplo victory?

 

[Zarn]

I think he said that we would promise Poly our vote for diplo victory, but we will then try to build a spaceship and launch it.

I disagree with this plan. GCA hates us more than Poly. I can't see it working. Our best bet is a permanent pact with Poly. Both of our nations would depend on one another for victory. The other teams just seem too big for both Poly and us, seperately.

 

[Ankka]

That's right.

Did you mean BoP with that chokepoint city?

 

[FortyJ]

I think this is a solid plan. However, I think you've overestimated our ability to "convince" GCA to give us Balance of Power. If I were Lucky, I'd sooner raze the town (or gift it to CGN or GWT) than surrender it to us.

I doubt that GCA thinks they are out of the fight just yet. They probably think that if they are able to get the Great Library and instantly upgrade their defenses to pikes, that they can weather the storm (and they may be right).

To counter this threat to the success of our campaign, we should least send our horsemen (if we have any left) out to pillage their roads to prevent the iron from reaching their homeland. Hopefully, APO has made plans to send some of their troops to secure the remaining source of iron before they manage to complete the GL.

I also think that we're probably going to have to promise a vote in the UN to APO regardless of what happens in this war. It's the only way to secure our survival in this game. Otherwise, they might not decide to stop their conquest with the last remaining GCA city.

 

[Ankka]

Why should they stop?

 

[Micaelis Rex]

Originally posted by Bootstoots

Two major problems with this proposal:
1. First and foremost, GCA would almost certainly not give us Balance of Power regardless of how dire their situation is. They would likely prefer to either go down fighting or retire and have the city razed.
2. The diplomatic victory plan would likely not work because there would be in actuality four civilizations at the end of the game, barring a huge war between the giants CGN and GWT or Poly conquering us, in which case this would be pretty pointless anyway. It is highly unlikely that Poly would secure more than two out of four votes at the UN and achieve diplomatic victory.

1.) I think GCA may do it just to spite Poly, as I'm sure they like us more than Poly atm. The fact that they survive is a bonus.
2.) You forget that GWT and CGN are at war.

 

[Micaelis Rex]

Originally posted by Vander
Damn you boots!! MRex had me going!! Why did you have to prove it was bad off paper??

I'm not convinced it is bad off paper, atleast not yet.

 

[Micaelis Rex]

Originally posted by Zarn
I think he said that we would promise Poly our vote for diplo victory, but we will then try to build a spaceship and launch it.

I disagree with this plan. GCA hates us more than Poly. I can't see it working. Our best bet is a permanent pact with Poly. Both of our nations would depend on one another for victory. The other teams just seem too big for both Poly and us, seperately.

It's phycological (sp), weeker nations tend to ally together against larger nations, so that they can better project there combined power. Just look at WWI.

*Note to self* Must learn how to quote more than one post at a time.

 

[Bootstoots]

In response to that:

1. They probably know pretty well that they aren't going to survive the war with Poly even if they give up BoP to us.
2. I don't think that GWT or CGN will have the capability to destroy one another. If one of them does wipe the other out, then the huge superpower across the sea would be almost certain of victory anyway; they could just cross it and wipe us out at a later date, or outproduce us in building the spaceship or the UN, win by culture, etc.

 

[Zarn]

Which means we need those two at war but always a stalemate. We can balance it through trade with each one, though they may get suspicous.

I doubt GCA would go for exile. The game would be over for them. We would have to give them a reason to stay in the game.

 

[Ankka]

UN vote chance?

 

[FortyJ]

Originally posted by Micaelis Rex
*Note to self* Must learn how to quote more than one post at a time.

It involves a good bit of cutting and pasting.

Originally posted by Wizard
Why should they stop?

Because two nations working together can outproduce/outresearch one giant nation across the sea.

Originally posted by Bootstoots
2. I don't think that GWT or CGN will have the capability to destroy one another. If one of them does wipe the other out, then the huge superpower across the sea would be almost certain of victory anyway; they could just cross it and wipe us out at a later date, or outproduce us in building the spaceship or the UN, win by culture, etc.

Certainly the threat of a giant superpower across the ocean is a danger, but consider this:

• One nation has, at best, two production hubs - the capitol and the Forbidden Palace. Together, CFC and APO could have 4 such hubs.
• One nation, at best, can discover one scientific advance every 4 turns. Together, CFC and APO could produce up to 2 advances every 4 turns.
• To secure construction of various Great Wonders (especially the UN), APO and CFC could conduct a series of skirmishes between elite forces from each nation. The sole purpose would be to produce Great Leaders. No skirmish would last for longer than 3 turns (so that we could still trade techs whenever appropriate) and all skirmishes would take place in open fields so no territory would be gained or lost.

Certainly, two nations working together towards victory is a much greater threat than a nation acting alone.

 

[croxis]

i'm inagreement with 40. We shoudl nagotiate so the norther part is ours.

 

[Octavian X]

I seriously doubt we'll be able to get any sort of peace treaty at all. Remember, GCA's got feudalism now, which has no doubt reinforced their fighting spirit. And besides, we've got to use our time to take the the four GCA cities west of BoP.

Otherwise, I'm in agreement with any type of plan to gain a permanent alliance with Apolyton. We may not live long enough to see our army grow larger than theirs.

 

[Micaelis Rex]

Poly has 40 MI's, a few pikes won't hold them off. Catchopolis will fall, and so will the GL. The rest of their cities will not be defended nearly as well as Catchopolis, and will fall quickly. Their only hope would be to give us BoP so that Poly couldn't get to the last 3 cities.

40, would the skirmishes idea be considered a exploit? If not, let's go for it.

Croxis, Poly will never ever give us the northern part, ever. We pose no threat to them whatsoever.

As for the Permanent alliance with Poly, I would like to try the GCA deal first, but if that fails, I would be happy with just the Permanent Alliance. We would also have to negotiate for all of the SW quadrent of the continent, though I don't think we can get BoP.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I like the perminate alliance deal. Especially the skirmishes part. A clever idea, but we'd have to let whatever other teams there are know we were skirmishing.
4 cores, and we'd work on what techs. We would just need to make poly know for certain we arent a lap dog.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I very much like this idea (The one that has come out of conversation, not the original one.)