Much ado about Whaling...

[Che Guava]

Deadlock at Greenland whale plan


The International Whaling Commission (IWC) annual meeting has seen deadlock on its second day over Greenland's plans to expand its Inuit whale hunt.

But proposals from indigenous groups in the US, Caribbean and Russia passed.

Subsistence whaling rights are given to groups with traditional whaling culture and a nutritional need for whale meat.

On the sidelines, Japan met with anti-whaling nations to try to resolve differences over its plan to include humpbacks in its Antarctic hunt.

The plan has caused outrage in Australia and New Zealand, which have healthy whale-watching industries with humpbacks as their star turn.

Species controversy

Subsistence (aboriginal) hunting is a relatively uncontroversial issue, with most governments and activist groups supporting the notion that indigenous peoples should be entitled to catch whales on a not-for-profit basis, despite the 21-year global moratorium on commercial hunting.

Quotas are reviewed every five years, and this meeting is supposed to set allowances for the period 2008-12.

But the West Greenland bid proved unusually controversial. It wanted to increase the number of minke whales taken from 175 to 200, and include 10 humpbacks and 2 bowhead whales for the first time.

Guide to the Great Whales

Greenland Inuit delegate Amalie Jessen said her people had demonstrated a need for 730 tonnes of whale meat each year rather than the current 450 tonnes.

"We like to see whales alive as well, but we see hunting them as an important part of our cultural life," she said.

Scientists advising the IWC believed there was not enough reliable information available to assess humpback stocks in the target region.

"We can only support a quota that's scientifically based," said Netherlands commissioner Giuseppe Raaphorst.

"On the scientific basis and the precautionary principle, we cannot accept this proposal."

But with pro-whaling nations amassing behind the Greenland bid, a decision was deferred.

The other bids, from the Chukchi of north-eastern Russia, Alaskan Eskimos, the Makah tribe of Washington State in the US, and the Beqians of St Vincent and the Grenadines, involved maintaining existing quotas, and passed without problem.

Talks about talks

The fiercest row currently concerns Japan's plan to add 50 humpback whales to its annual Antarctic hunt, which it conducts in the name of scientific research.

Before the meeting started, Japan offered to consider abandoning the humpback element if the anti-whaling bloc could consider its request to allow limited commercial hunting by four coastal communities.

The offer was dismissed instantly; but Japanese commissioners met informally with ministers from anti-whaling countries Australia, the UK and New Zealand in an attempt to find a way forward.

After the session, New Zealand's conservation minister Chris Carter told BBC News that they had agreed to continue talking, with the future of the IWC one item on which it might be possible to find common ground.

However, he said, the Japanese coastal whaling proposal would not be endorsed, while his government's opposition to the humpback hunt remained as implacable as ever.
Japanese delegates declined to comment.

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Any thoughts or comments? Should we be hunting whales at all? Should only indiginous people be allowed to?

Anyone here actually eaten whale meat?

 

[De Lorimier]

Are these particular whales endangered species or not? If they aren't, what's the problem?

 

[Che Guava]

That's the problem: there has been some disagreement as to how populous these whales are, and how much could be safely harvested.

 

[De Lorimier]

That's just it for me. Once the stock is evaluated and endangered species are identified, I have no real problem with animal hunting of any kind, regardless of how cute or romanticized they appear. Balance is, as always, the key here.

 

[Leifmk]

Anyone here actually eaten whale meat?

Many times. I'm just old enough to remember when it was plentiful and cheap, before they altogether stopped commercial whaling. In those days we often had it for dinner toward the end of the month's household budget, unceremoniously fried with potatoes and veggies on the side. After the resumption of limited whaling at the end of the 80s it has become something more of a delicacy and is therefore prepared with a greater degree of care. Quite tasty -- vaguely resembles beef with a hint of seafood.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

No, there are better ways to get food.

 

[Golden Touch]

with several types of whale being what they are, endangered to an unknown extent, increasing the amount of whaling for whatever reason seems stupid.
If we had scientific data proving that the whale community could cope with this loss, then ok. I support the right of natives to hunt a subsistence living PROVIDED they are really living that way. you cant have mod cons like a tv and still hunt. cant have it both ways my friend.

 

[Che Guava]

Many times. I'm just old enough to remember when it was plentiful and cheap, before they altogether stopped commercial whaling. In those days we often had it for dinner toward the end of the month's household budget, unceremoniously fried with potatoes and veggies on the side. After the resumption of limited whaling at the end of the 80s it has become something more of a delicacy and is therefore prepared with a greater degree of care. Quite tasty -- vaguely resembles beef with a hint of seafood.

Just a hint..?

I've always had a bit of a morbid curiosity with whale meat, since I've never had anything even close to it. I've heard seal is supposed to be rank (very fishy). How much whaling does Norway do nowadays. I seem to recall years ago when I was there that it was still going on, but it was a pretty touchy subject (apparently some german tourists coulds be quite rude about it) so I never really brought it up...

 

[Abaddon]

Tis very much the case we mody codle the whale, i am (for those not aware) doing a Zoology degree - i actually have an exam on whaling issues jsut next week!

Some whales are endangered, others recovering nicely.. according to some data.. the problem is with such a wide travelling range, and aquatic habitat, they are very hard to monitor.

Also - the idea that you are going to catch 1 minke, 2 blue, 5 humps a year is perposterous. They will catch what they find first. A recent servay in a jap fish market found various whale meats - all labelled as legal fish.. but when tested dolphin, blue whale and a whole manner of engangerd were actually found.


As for subsitance whaling.. hmm. brb!