Nukes As Population Control

[Borachio]

I don't agree. In fact, I haven't agreed with your age limit for the past 19 years.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

For every brilliant political project there are always obstructionists.

 

[Borachio]

I've seen Logan's Run.

And I don't see anything obstructionist about not wanting to be terminated at some arbitrary age that I passed long ago. (Neither did Logan, iirc.)

On the other hand, you may have a point.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Logan was influenced by the cute girl (cant say i blame him). About the limit casually I am 40 now and i fell i am already going downhill (but we all have been going downhill since our early 20s so i admit it is rather arbitrary)

Anyway there is also the possibility of winning renewal!

 

[El_Machinae]

Problem with sterilisation is population would get very old before disminishing. A world populated by elders is not a veey attractive prospect and would lead to all kind of practical issues.

Get ready for it! We're frantically trying to cure aging over here.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Any possibility for people of my age to get immortality before we die? It would be nice to have a bit of rejuvenation too. Wouldn't like to pass the eternity in a geriatric.

 

[Farm Boy]

....would lead to all kind of practical issues.

I'm not sure Florida could handle the bumrush. Attractive though? I dunno. The 'Tellin' It Like It Is would get tiresome, but downplaying I Already Know Everything might be worth a couple of points. I would probably happily take the hit on the quality of professional sports and rando passingby titillation when it's jogging season so eh on that.

 

[W|M]

So you're saying that there would no longer be any children of men?

Any possibility for people of my age to get immortality before we die? It would be nice to have a bit of rejuvenation too. Wouldn't like to pass the eternity in a geriatric.

Don't worry, the Sun will consume us all in fiery inferno long before eternity has passed. Thermonuclear annihilation is inevitable

 

[Bugfatty300]

Any possibility for people of my age to get immortality before we die? It would be nice to have a bit of rejuvenation too. Wouldn't like to pass the eternity in a geriatric.

It will be cool to at least be over 50 when immortality is released. And seeing as we millennials will almost certainly be among the first immortal generation, I've given it a lot of thought. The next 100,000 generations will of course stop aging at 25, so us 50-60 year olds will be instantly recognized and looked upon with respect and awe. So the benefits of being an immortal old person will outweigh the costs even without some magic age reversal wonder cure.

Off course, statistically, something will kill us eventually and, so I'm aiming at a very reasonable goal of 10,000 years. But others are talking about 9 figures which is a little too optimistic if you ask me. We'll probably be the first to attempt reach other stars so that will thin out our numbers a lot. Don't want to get my expectations too high.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

It will be cool to at least be over 50 when immortality is released. And seeing as we millennials will almost certainly be among the first immortal generation, I've given it a lot of thought. The next 100,000 generations will of course stop aging at 25, so us 50-60 year olds will be instantly recognized and looked upon with respect and awe. So the benefits of being an immortal old person will outweigh the costs even without some magic age reversal wonder cure.

Off course, statistically, something will kill us eventually and, so I'm aiming at a very reasonable goal of 10,000 years. But others are talking about 9 figures which is a little too optimistic if you ask me. We'll probably be the first to attempt reach other stars so that will thin out our numbers a lot. Don't want to get my expectations too high.

But thinking on it, once you get immortal it does not matter if it catches you too old since at some point in an arbitrary distant future that rejuvenation magic will be developed. So you will have to choose between remaining old and prestigious or have some of that elixir of youth and blend with the masses of twenty-somethings.

 

[Ryika]

Off course, statistically, something will kill us eventually and, so I'm aiming at a very reasonable goal of 10,000 years.

The potential of dying in an accident is already a worrying with around ~50-70 years to go, imagine how a person must feel if with every step they take or not take they risk loosing 10000 years of potential life. That's terrifying.

Immortality is a questionable concept in general. I've yet to see a good idea on how we would overcome the limitations of our brain - at some point in your life, all you will have left is memory of the same adult life that you've been living for centuries, and from your youth, your teens.. from the time that made you what you are, there will be left only glimmers of <something> that you have to fill with fantasies. Even if you manage to back up video footage and never lose it, at some point you will look at a video of yourself and not remember that person at all.

But thinking on it, once you get immortal it does not matter if it catches you too old since at some point in an arbitrary distant future that rejuvenation magic will be developed. So you will have to choose between remaining old and prestigious or have some of that elixir of youth and blend with the masses of twenty-somethings.

Am I sick for thinking that if I were born in such a time I could stop my bodily development at 12 and become a living lolicon 6 years after?

 

[Tahuti]

A world populated by elders is not a veey attractive prospect and would lead to all kind of practical issues.

Raise pensions to age 90.

 

[Bugfatty300]

But thinking on it, once you get immortal it does not matter if it catches you too old since at some point in an arbitrary distant future that rejuvenation magic will be developed. So you will have to choose between remaining old and prestigious or have some of that elixir of youth and blend with the masses of twenty-somethings.

If future generations are genetically capped to remain in pristine biological shape then there would be no reason to develop a rejuvenation treatments, likely even less so in the distant future long after attrition has wiped most if not all of us initial post-natal Immortals (the last old people). Future surgery techniques or cybernetic could compensate for any latent age related physical problems, but we'd still physically look like.21st century cavemen for quite a while.

 

[Narz]

If you want to control the population, just put something into the water supply that sterilizes people.

Sell it as an equalizer: "Women have suffered under hormone imbalance because men expected them to take the anti baby pill, now we make sure that they get to know that feeling" to make sure the SJWs don't complain.

The rich can avoid being sterilized by drinking fresh, bottled water that will cost around ~50 Dollars per Liter, and in 2 generations or so, we have a world devoid of poverty, with only rich people left who will then build the greatest Civilization earth has ever seen. At least I think that's how that works.

That's silly, without all the poor who will do the work to support the rich?

 

[Commodore]

Immortality is a questionable concept in general. I've yet to see a good idea on how we would overcome the limitations of our brain - at some point in your life, all you will have left is memory of the same adult life that you've been living for centuries, and from your youth, your teens.. from the time that made you what you are, there will be left only glimmers of <something> that you have to fill with fantasies. Even if you manage to back up video footage and never lose it, at some point you will look at a video of yourself and not remember that person at all

This has been the biggest argument I've seen against trying to make humans biologically immortal. I've seen this argument made by other people and the general assertion seems to be that the human mind, as it currently exists simply wouldn't be able to wrap itself around the concept of potentially living forever and anyone who was immortal would eventually go completely insane because of it.

I agree with that argument which is why I think the best option for immortality (if we really want to go down that route) would be to find a way to digitize our consciousness. That would fundamentally change the nature of our existence and allow our digital minds to better cope with the concept of being around forever (or at least as long as we can keep the batteries charged).

 

[Bugfatty300]

The potential of dying in an accident is already a worrying with around ~50-70 years to go, imagine how a person must feel if with every step they take or not take they risk loosing 10000 years of potential life. That's terrifying.

I'd recommend they take solace and inspiration in the timeless philosophical principle coined by the ancient Millennials which they called "yolo." Roughly translated it means "a person only has one life to live."

Immortality is a questionable concept in general. I've yet to see a good idea on how we would overcome the limitations of our brain - at some point in your life, all you will have left is memory of the same adult life that you've been living for centuries, and from your youth, your teens.. from the time that made you what you are, there will be left only glimmers of <something> that you have to fill with fantasies. Even if you manage to back up video footage and never lose it, at some point you will look at a video of yourself and not remember that person at all.

I'm not sure if that would bother me or not but I think our brains have millions of gigs of storage but we're programmed to use it like our ape ancestors which is really inefficient for modern life. But you can train your brain to improve long term memory and recollection and AFAIK it seems to only get stronger with more use, so who knows what a brain beefed up by thousands of years worth thinking could do.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Raise pensions to age 90.

Or reduce pensions to the minimal level but provide free healthcare ?
Like the German system which pension is so tiny, and they only start at age 67 ? that most have to have sizeable nest eggs and/or rely on the extended family but they have free universal healthcare

 

[Borachio]

That's silly, without all the poor who will do the work to support the rich?

Robots.

Next question, please.

 

[Ryika]

Right, they're rich and can afford robots that build robots (that build robots).

 

[Borachio]

A bit like slaves, when you think about it. (Assuming you keep some to breed.)

The trouble with slaves though is that you have to feed, clothe and house them. More or less.

Whereas with employing people, when one of them breaks down, you just employ another one.