Multiculturalism at Work In Sweden

LordRahl said:
Clearly I'm playing a devil's advocate here, but maybe, just maybe he was sick and tired of people being robbed instead of helped?
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I don't know if VRWCAgent was speaking generally or referring to a specific person, but if you think he means who I think you think he means, well, that guy was Norwegian...
 
Well I don't know how well OP knows the situation in Sweden, but on larger scale he is pretty much right.

Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland were extremely safe and stable societies before the massive immigration from the third world countries started 20-30 years ago. Immigration as such is not a problem, but if large part of the immigration comes from countries like Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan there will be problems. Norway, Denmark and Finland have not been as naive as Sweden when it comes to immigration, but there are also problems in these countries. The future for Sweden looks pretty grim to be honest. Honor killings, terrorism, brutal street violence, gang rapes. These kind of phenomenons were pretty much unknown before large scale immigration started from conservative Muslim countries.
 
peter grimes said:
swede is the P.C. term. I think we can all agree that we're talking about an unfortunate case of violence against a Borealan, or, as some people call them, Ice Grubbers.
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I just prefer the all encompassing "Danes"

Of course, all violence and theft is deplorable, but perhaps if this guy had been a little more egalitarian, a touch more charitable, had advocated just a bit more for a higher tax rate on the wealthy and a stronger social safety net for the most vulnerable; then maybe this unfortunate event could have been prevented.
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Really, it's just a matter of good honest people standing up to Swedish violence. I know in today's ultra-leftist PC world we're supposed to just forgive and forget fanatical Swedish terror, but for those of us who actually have to live with Danes, we have a right to self-defense.
 
trader/warrior said:
Except, you know, atleast in Sweden and Norway the crime rate has been stable for the last 20 years, halting the rising crime-rates of 1950 - 1990.
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Most crimes are not that serious, they are something like speeding. If we talk about serious crimes like violent crimes and rapes, things look pretty different. Talking about crimes-rates at general level is not what we are talking about here.
 
Is it just me, or is this a troll thread? :mischief:
 
Inhalaattori said:
Well I don't know how well OP knows the situation in Sweden, but on larger scale he is pretty much right.

Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland were extremely safe and stable societies before the massive immigration from the third world countries started 20-30 years ago. Immigration as such is not a problem, but if large part of the immigration comes from countries like Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan there will be problems. Norway, Denmark and Finland have not been as naive as Sweden when it comes to immigration, but there are also problems in these countries. The future for Sweden looks pretty grim to be honest. Honor killings, terrorism, brutal street violence, gang rapes. These kind of phenomenons were pretty much unknown before large scale immigration started from conservative Muslim countries.
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Yeah, you guys suck at multiculturalism.
 
Inhalaattori said:
Immigration as such is not a problem, but if large part of the immigration comes from countries like Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan there will be problems. Norway, Denmark and Finland have not been as naive as Sweden when it comes to immigration, but there are also problems in these countries.
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You could put some effort into properly assessing the economic value of immigrants before you let them into your country. Canada is doing well with that. And as a perk you could then make it a habit to boast about the supposed openness of your society and blame white Europeans for the occassional bump in the integration road.
Canadians (and Americans) are doing well with that, too.

You could - theoretically - try to explain to Anglosphere folks (most of whom also seem believe Switzerland is a monochrome place with lots of milk maids) that a childhood in Tijuana is very different from a childhood in Mogadishu and that that has consequences. But i'd advise against that. It's a rather fruitless enterprise.
Joecoolyo said:
Yeah, you guys suck at multiculturalism.
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I wrote the above before you posted.
Anyway...

qed
 
trader/warrior said:
Except, you know, atleast in Sweden and Norway the crime rate has been stable for the last 20 years, halting the rising crime-rates of 1950 - 1990.
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Really? I've never heard of that statistic. Actually, I've never heard any statistic on the Norwegian crime rate since 1950... SSB stat I suppose?

Do you happen to have a link? (Yes, I know I'm lazy... :blush: )
 
Joecoolyo said:
Yeah, you guys suck at multiculturalism.
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Yeah! Take a page out of America's experience. What you gotta do is persecute immigrants to the point of physical violence, then a hundred years later they become a normal part of the fabric of America, persecuting the next round of immigrants. I like to call it "The American Trial-By-Fire." That's what we're doing with our Muslims and in a hundred years, we'll have Imam's rallying American's against the criminally minded Kazakhs the way people rallied against Italians
 
metatron said:
You could put some effort into properly assessing the economic value of immigrants before you let them into your country. Canada is doing well with that. And as a perk you could then make it a habit to boast about the supposed openness of your society and blame white Europeans for the occassional bump in the integration road.
Canadians (and Americans) are doing well with that, too.
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Of normal immigrants the vast majority are coming from Europe, in the case of Norway; Sweden, Poland and the Baltics.

People from Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq etc. are coming as asylum seekers of which the scandinavian countries allow in a far larger proportion than most other countries compared to population. For example, Sweden lets in about the same number of asylum seekers as Canada, a country with over 3 times it's population. And also over half what the US, a country about 30 times it's size lets in.

IMO You guys should stop halting the people in need at the border to then let the ones without need in. It's quite selfish and not very nice for a supposedly open and multicultural society.

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Cheetah said:
Really? I've never heard of that statistic. Actually, I've never heard any statistic on the Norwegian crime rate since 1950... SSB stat I suppose?

Do you happen to have a link? (Yes, I know I'm lazy... :blush: )
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TBH thats something I remember from a discussion I had a long time ago with a graph comparing the two and I can't find the statistic for norway right now other than this that only goes back to 1993. Found this for Sweden at least.
 
The guy probably thought it was a suicide so thought that he might as well take his money if he wants to die anyway.
 
Leonel said:
Yeah! Take a page out of America's experience. What you gotta do is persecute immigrants to the point of physical violence, then a hundred years later they become a normal part of the fabric of America, persecuting the next round of immigrants. I like to call it "The American Trial-By-Fire." That's what we're doing with our Muslims and in a hundred years, we'll have Imam's rallying American's against the criminally minded Kazakhs the way people rallied against Italians
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That was a hundred years ago mang, the only people who advocate or think like that nowadays are obnoxious radio hosts and Fox News.

Loppan Torkel said:
You mean we should do more like the rest of the world and accept less people from places like Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? It's easy to be a rich lefty in a nation not helping the people in need, isn't it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/03/us-syria-europe-refugees-idUSBRE8820NR20120903
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Of course Syrians are fleeing to Europe, it's right there! Considering that they're refugees I doubt they have the money for a transatlantic cruise.

Borachio said:
Oh? I was hearing on the radio yesterday about Latinos in the US. Didn't sound so good.

Is it true you really need to speak Spanish in Miami?
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What about Latinos in the U.S.?
 
trader/warrior said:
Of normal immigrants the vast majority are coming from Europe, in the case of Norway; Sweden, Poland and the Baltics.

People from Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq etc. are coming as asylum seekers of which the scandinavian countries allow in a far larger proportion than most other countries compared to population. For example, Sweden lets in about the same number of asylum seekers as Canada, a country with over 3 times it's population. And also over half what the US, a country about 30 times it's size lets in.
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I am not sure whether you a) agree with me or b) failed to pick up on the 3 inch layer of sarcasm i put on that post. :)
 
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