Multiplayer behavior!

[Phoenix_56721]

All those players who would like to play games as stated bt 18d's post can pm myself, and probably 18d and Knupp. I will keep a list, and we will see what we get. Hopefully we will have our own set of mature - just love the game - players.

I was hoping the Mods would launch the (Civ4 MP forum) soon, so we could start meeting other MP players and start organizing teams and games. I will be ready play by (Friday Night), need alittle time to learn the game before playing MP... (oh ya I'm on dial up, <just a warning> I hoping Civ4 will run OK on dial up.)

EDIT: I think I will use the name (Phoenix 56k) just so I can give people a heads up on my situation!

 

[Yahzi]

If I were to start a game with 3 other people and one starts off surrounded by 200 tiles of tundra and bears,

(grumble) damn kids...

in my day, we were LUCKY to have tundra and bears!

 

[knupp715]

I probably will be playing just SP for the first month or so when I get the game, then I will be getting into the MP games. I have to be an expert before I present myself in front of all you well trained forumites.

 

[elderotter]

I probably will be playing just SP for the first month or so when I get the game, then I will be getting into the MP games. I have to be an expert before I present myself in front of all you well trained forumites.

We who? I am just a player and will be sp'ing abit too but hey multi could improve my single playering.

 

[knupp715]

We who? I am just a player and will be sp'ing abit too but hey multi could improve my single playering.

Multiplayer definitely improves you single player tecnique, at least it did for me in Civ3. In MP the games are brutal, which make you a much better player, you have to be if you want to survive. Before Civ3 MP I was a regent player, and after Civ3 MP I was a monarch and occasional deity (not the best deity) player. I think MP better prepares you for the stronger AI on the higher levels.

 

[civchu]

I don't know if you have ever played a Civ3 multiplayer, but a lot of the community are all IMmature. They will quit if they get a bad starting location, or if somebody is beating them up. I think it's the opposite, 30% of the online community being mature. Hopefully though, with teamplay, people won't be so eager to quit.

for this very reason.......we need a bnet rating system....

the reason being...if people keep quiting...they will have an extremely high loss record...

and mature/hopefully good players....can only play other good players

 

[Khaim]

My only problem with multiplayer is that, for a really fun game, you'll probably want to play it all in one go. Which restricts it to the weekend for most people. I think lamers will be much less of a problem with Civ than, say, WoW or CounterStrike. Civ takes too much thinking.

Which makes me wonder: maybe Firaxis making it player-friendly wasn't such a good idea after all...

 

[verbal13]

Like a previous poster said, you would be amazed at the amount of immature brats there are playing on the net. I just quit playing FFXI after 2 years of playing and looking back at some of the forums, you can just see the 12 year old drama lol. How about whenever the MP section goes up start a warning thread about players who leave early or are just overall immature? So that way we can all look out for them. Also, as I'm a newb to these boards, and Civ MP in general, what is bnet? A link would be appreciated thanks. Also since that really isn't on topic please feel free to PM me a link or an explanation.

 

[neriana]

Well, you can't "gank" in Civ, so that should help. I'm not really sure how anyone could be a "griefer" in a Civ game, and people who enjoy doing that are going to do it elsewhere. But some people embrace the anonymity the internet gives them to be jerks. I play WoW, though, and despite its reputation, I meet 4 really cool people for every jerk, and about 10 normal people for every really cool person. Might have to do with being on RP servers and avoiding PvP ones like the plague, or maybe the WoW playerbase's assitude is exaggerated.

 

[UglyElmo]

I wrote this for the Total War MP communitya awhile back:

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=31864

Someone would need to adjust it to reflect the CIV IV lobby, but you get the idea.

A strong clan community can also help teach players proper online and game-specific ettiquette. Used in conjunction with a #ignore and/or #ban function, a lot of the hassle of an MP lobby is eliminated. During the Shogun and Medieval Total War heydays, the veteran players kept a pretty good handle on troublesome players. Pretty soon everyone would have them on #ignore and #ban them from their games as well. Eventually, the person would either leave or come back under another name and behave themselves. The more effort everyone puts into making the MP lobby a nice place to visit, the more pleasant the experience will be for everyone.

 

[Phoenix_56721]

I wrote this for the Total War MP communitya awhile back:

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=31864

Someone would need to adjust it to reflect the CIV IV lobby, but you get the idea.

A strong clan community can also help teach players proper online and game-specific ettiquette. Used in conjunction with a #ignore and/or #ban function, a lot of the hassle of an MP lobby is eliminated. During the Shogun and Medieval Total War heydays, the veteran players kept a pretty good handle on troublesome players. Pretty soon everyone would have them on #ignore and #ban them from their games as well. Eventually, the person would either leave or come back under another name and behave themselves. The more effort everyone puts into making the MP lobby a nice place to visit, the more pleasant the experience will be for everyone.

That sounds great UglyElmo, you will really be a asset in our MP community...

 

[jkp1187]

Thats true noone is going to spend $50 just to start problems on the internet with other people. Plus its only a game. No mature persion is going to get that angry over a game

Remind me to tell you of the time a very good friend destroyed his CD-ROM at 2:00AM after getting whacked during a vicious game of Battlefield: 1942. I hear vodka might've been involved....

Anywho, I think I'm just going to limit playing against friends or others whom I've vetted. I know at least four or five people who might be interested in playing the occasional MP game....

 

[elderotter]

Anywho, I think I'm just going to limit playing against friends or others whom I've vetted. I know at least four or five people who might be interested in playing the occasional MP game....

Thaat makes sense, tho as I stated previously there are several in this forum whom seem to me to be capable of playing maturely.
Of course that begs the question(lol) do you want to play maturely...I am sure that those who don't can find plenty of people to play their style.

 

[Jecrell]

Given the option between a mature setting and an immature setting. I would likely choose the mature setting to play in. Of course, with maturity comes wisdom and knowledge and many other things. Harsh debate about something you care about, can seem inescapable at times, and seems just as offensive as someone making a vulgar statement about your mother.

Ultimately I would choose "politeness" rather than argueing between maturity and immaturity. Often times mature players consider themselves elitists on several scales. They may often exclude people just because they type differently (using "roofels" instead of "haha.").

A simple politeness and perhaps some respect may be all we need towards each other in the online world. Afterall, I'm sure some of us got the game to play it rather than debate it, eh?

 

[elderotter]

Given the option between a mature setting and an immature setting. I would likely choose the mature setting to play in. Of course, with maturity comes wisdom and knowledge and many other things. Harsh debate about something you care about, can seem inescapable at times, and seems just as offensive as someone making a vulgar statement about your mother.

Ultimately I would choose "politeness" rather than argueing between maturity and immaturity. Often times mature players consider themselves elitists on several scales. They may often exclude people just because they type differently (using "roofels" instead of "haha.").

A simple politeness and perhaps some respect may be all we need towards each other in the online world. Afterall, I'm sure some of us got the game to play it rather than debate it, eh?

Agreed, but does not politeness and respect tend to rise from maturity?
We can always disagree without being disagreeable. Well, some of us can and some of us can't. I think that the more mature you become the better your behaviour...I am not talking age here neccesarily either. I know some very mature people in their 20's and some immature people in their 60's and 70's. Of course that is me judging people and judging people is something I have to work at not doing.

 

[Jecrell]

Agreed, but does not politeness and respect tend to rise from maturity?
We can always disagree without being disagreeable. Well, some of us can and some of us can't. I think that the more mature you become the better your behaviour...I am not talking age here neccesarily either. I know some very mature people in their 20's and some immature people in their 60's and 70's. Of course that is me judging people and judging people is something I have to work at not doing.

Judging people isn't particularly divine for one man to do onto another, but when you're on the internet and someone is clearly out to ruin your day -- we can only assume that judging him on that and kicking him out of the game so he can cool down and realize the error of his ways would certainly be the right thing to do if he can't cool his jets before things get out of hand (that was one big run on sentance).

 

[FeelGood]

As I`m thinking of trying multiplayer, this has made me think twice to try it. But still, I think there are more mature people who will play this game. I`ve never tried any multiplayer game so I can`t say more about how people behave online. Maybe it ust like in our daily live. There will be good and not good people (don`t want to use bad!).

But, AFAIK, the starting location will be even for everyone in an MP game. So, there will be less problem of quitting early in the game. And, I someone do quit from the game early, will he be banned or punished. Is this a really big mistake in an MP game?

 

[Huxley Hobbes]

I'm not terribly worried about MP in Civ IV being affected by silly players. I can ignore anyone saying anything dumb, and given the wonderful gameplay mechanics it's actually going to take some competence to win a game (Or rather, a lot more competence and long-term planning than say, Battlefield 2. Great game, full of losers. But you can't just pop into Civ IV and start blasting people in the head. I have to hope the whole investment is rather too slow for most griefers.) - if someone is a jerk about it when they win I just won't play with them again.

Anyways, I don't know what capacity I will have to play online for the first month I have the game, but once I get to my house (Complicated situation xD) I'll be able to play for sure. I'll try and be around, it'd be nice to play some Civ multiplayer for once.

 

[UglyElmo]

Phoenix: hehe Thanks. I am very much looking forward to playing this game online. I miss the excitement of finding various armies, tactics, strategies, which work well in team play. The thing I liked about STW and MTW was a team that played well together, could beat a team consisting of expert 1v1 players and leave them wondering what they did wrong. I am hoping CIV IV MP plays offers the same. If it does, I will be around for at least 5 years like I was with Total War.

Maturity:

Maturity shows when you can have a heated debate with another player in the forums over an issue, then agree to disagree, and go enjoy playing the game as teammates.

For example:

There are several players in the Total War Community I disagree with and we have had many a heated debate (not flaming, but very persuasive), yet they always joined my hosted games and we always had a great time playing together. I have even met up with some of them in real life and found them to be very much like their online persona.

Unfortunately, age is not a very good gauge in determining maturity-level. There are 12-year olds in the TW forums who post very intelligently and who do not rise to the bait when someone "trolls" them. Then there are some I know who are much, much older who act like they haven't quite learned the skills most grasped in elementary school.

 

[oldStatesman]

My main reason I avoid public MP gaming communities is not the language and immature stuff...I am thick skinned and can handle that stuff np; it is the immature attitude and gameplay.

My one foray into the world of online MP was bad - it was a game similiar to civ - and it seemed there were cliques of experienced players that got their jollies offing newbies. They would form alliances and gang up on anyone who was new - brag about it in the forums how they did it just becasue they could - they would hunt newbies down just to punish them and drive them off... and it was no fun being squashed everytime for no other reason other than the fact I was new and inexperienced...it was a regular occurance - enough that it soured me on MP play ever since.

When (and if, though it seems very likely if the next few weeks back up the reviews) I get Civ4 - I hope the community is a little more mature in gameplay etiqutte- and that players like these are quickly outed - only then will I spend money to join such a community again.