Mump4 - AWD Standard Pangaea

[glenmetz]

I will check it out, playing soon

 

[glenmetz]

Preturn
Everything looks dandy

IBT
2 Greeks archers impale themselves on our Spears (2-0)
Leipzig Sword->Sword
Hamburg Spear->Sword
Greeks land a Hoplite right next to Hamburg endangering our workers, Bastards

975BC (1)
Our Army comes to the rescue, killing both a Greek Hoplite and an Indian Sword near Hamburg (4-0)
Elite Archer kills a French Archer near Leipzig and Viola........

I send him to Berlin for now to hold onto
Elite Sword kills a French Archer (5-0)
Send the Settler up to the decided spot with 2 spear escorts
MM it a bit and the turn is up

IBT
A French Archer dies in Leipzig
A Greek Horse dies in Frankfurt (7-0)
A French archer destroys improvements near Leipzig

950BC (2)
Our Elite Archer kills a French Spear (8-0)
Our Army kills a Indian Spear that landed near Konigsberg (9-0) but is injured badly
Munich is founded, work starts on a Barracks

IBT
A French archer kills one of Spears in Leipzig (9-1)
2 Greek Archers fall to Spears in Frankfurt (11-1)
Berlin Sword->Sword
French are building the Hanging Gardens (MONARCHY!!!!)
Indians are Building TGL

925BC (3)
Sword kills a French Spear (12-1)

IBT
We loose a sword to an Indian Sword (12-2)
We take down a French Archer with a Sword and get a promo (13-2)

900BC (4)
Not much happens other then moving men around

IBT
French sword goes splat (14-2)
3 Greek Archers throw themselves into our Spears (17-2)
Leipzig Spear->Sword
Hamburg Sword->Sword
Greeks are building Sun Tzus!!!!

875BC (5)
Sword kills a French Spear (18-2)
Our Army kills 2 Indian Warriors (20-2)

IBT
Maths are in, take CB at 60 in 4-4GPT
Berlin Sword->Sword
Iroquios complete the Great Wall
Indians are Building TGL

850BC (6)
Sword kills a French Archer (21-2)
Sword kills a Greek Spear (22-2)
Change build in Munich from Barracks to Cat

And I'm going to pass this off, our Army needs one, maybe 2 more turns to heal and another 3 swords can follow him to Greek lands. Enjoy whoever is up next. Not much has changed in terms of the land other then adding the City up north.

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[Elephantium]

We need more settlers ASAP. I'm in favor of turning Berlin and Leipzig to Settler duty right now; we need cities on the squares 1S and probably 1E of the tobacco near Berlin for unit support, production, and building a second army.

We should also raze/replace Grenoble and claim the Greek Wines in the SW.

 

[glenmetz]

I really couldn't go on the offensive at all, sorry. Wasn't willing to take my chances with Swords attacking our Spears and went on the offensive defense whenever I could. A few more cities would also allow us to build a 2nd Army. A nice stack could be ready in about 3 more turns when another 3 Swords are done.

 

[Mumpulus]

Got it for tonight. Will try to get some expansion going and get at least one army out.

 

[Greebley]

Agree on getting to 8 towns. Two Armies will be a big help and we have the leader waiting.

You may be able to grab a Greek town or two for getting to 8 sooner if we can afford to send the Army to do that. We can alway keep the town and abandon if needed rather than just razing.

 

[Mumpulus]

I didn't feel like playing last night, but have finished my turns now. I'm going to grab a bite to eat, then I'll post my report. Should be done in a few hours.

 

[Mumpulus]

0) 850BC
Gain 1 beaker in Berlin and switch it to catapult in anticipation of 15spt starting in two turns. Change taxman to entertainer for higher shields in Leipzig and change build to settler because it's costing us too much to keep happy. Fire taxman in Hamburg. Speed up growth in Munich. Halt growth in Konigsberg for a turn to get the sword in 1. Science can go down a notch for an extra gpt.

Archer kills archer near Grenoble; cover with spear because there's another French archer behind it. [1-0]

IT
2 Greek archers die. [3-0]

Konigsberg: Swordsman > Catapult

1) 825BC
Archer kills French archer. Army kills archer on its way to Corinth [5-0]

IT
A hoplite lands on Konigsberg forest.

Berlin: Catapult > Swordsman

2) 800BC
Ping the landed hoplite and cover some tiles.

Army kills 2 hoplites in Corinth, it remains garrisoned with an archer. [7-0]

IT
A Greek horseman retreats and 1 archer dies. [8-0]

Hamburg: Settler > Catapult

3) 775BC
At Leipzig, eSword dies on rArcher. *Archer kills rArcher. Sword kills archer near Frankfurt. Army kills hoplite and archer in Corinth, but it still holds. [12-1]

IT
2 archers die at Leipzig, one of our vSpears promotes. [14-1]

CB is in, start on Pottery.

Berlin: Swordsman > Swordsman
Leipzig: Settler > Catapult

4) 750BC
Found Heidelburg, start walls.

Our army at Corinth needs to heal. At Leipzig, *Archer kills rArcher. [15-1]

IT
1 archer dies at Frankfurt. [16-1]

Frankfurt: Swordsman > Spearman

Amsterdam finishes ToA, Seoul finishes the GL , Delhi finishes the HG, Bombay the MoM.

5) 730BC
2 vSwords kill spear and archer, one promotes. 2 archers kill 2 more archers. [20-1]

IT
No attacks.

Berlin: Swordsman > Swordsman
Hamburg: Catapult > Swordsman

The Greeks start KT.

6) 710BC
Army kills two hoplites in Corinth. The extra sword I added has no work, because all archers seem to have left, so:

vSword proceeds to kill that redlined hoplite. vSword and eSword kill 2 archers. [25-1]

IT
No combat. The French move towards Munich. Resistance in Corinth ends.

7) 690BC
Rush walls in Corinth to kill native population. eArcher kills archer. [26-1]

IT
A hoplite lands on our wines.

Pottery is in, start on Mysticism.

Berlin: Swordsman > Swordsman
Leipzig: Catapult > Worker
Corinth riots but still produces its rushed walls > Catapult
Konigsberg: Catapult > Spearman
Munich: Catapult > Catapult

Indians start Sun Tzu.

8) 670BC
Found Nuremberg, start walls. *Archer and eArcher kill 2 archers. [28-1]

IT
An archer dies at Corinth. [29-1]

Heidelburg: Walls > Catapult

9) 650BC
Army kills 2 hoplites in Delphi and will need to heal. We'll probably need both armies together on this one, because it is size 8, so there will always be at least 3 defenders. An eSword dies on a rArcher near Corinth. Kill 1 archer at Leipzig. [32-2]

IT
An archer dies at Corinth (again). [33-2]

Berlin: Swordsman > Swordsman
Leipzig: Worker > Swordsman
Hamburg: Swordsman > Swordsman

10) 630BC
vSword kills archer and promotes. *Archer kills archer. [35-2]

IT
Nothing at all.

11) 610BC
Army and promoting vSword kill 2 Indian swords to take the hills east of Corinth. eArcher kills archer. [38-2]

IT
The Indians land a spear and warrior NE of Munich, the French move on toward Munich, the Greeks seem to turn around to some place else.

Berlin: Swordsman > Swordsman

12) 590BC
vSword kills archer near Munich. [39-2]

IT
A Berlin tile gets blocked by those stupid French archers.

Mysticism is in, start on The Wheel.

Frankfurt: Spearman > Catapult
Nuremberg: Walls > Barracks

13) 570BC
eSword and eArcher kill the 2 blocking archers. *Archer and vSword kill 2 more. [43-2]

IT
No combat.

Hamburg: Swordsman > Settler
Konigsberg: Spearman > Swordsman (will be assisted by chop)

14) 550BC
First army pillages some while waiting for the second army. eSword kills Indian warrior in the north. [44-2]

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[Mumpulus]

The Greek galley hasn't dropped anything I think. If the pattern is maintained, it'll drop a hoplite on the forest NE of Konigsberg.

I've indicated French troop movement in pink.

• Arrow 1 has been the main route. Starting from there, troops move onto the forest NE of Leipzig if that's the target. If Munich has 2 units inside, the French mostly target Leipzig; if not, they tend to go for Munich. When the French target Munich and the forest E of Munich is covered, the French stay north of our border to stay on the forests.
• Arrow 2 has also been a pretty busy route. Units arriving here follow the same pattern as those arriving along arrow 1.
• Arrow 3 has been used on and off. When these units bypass Leipzig, they do so to the south, thus occupying an important Berlin tile.
• The French haven't ventured south of the red line, even with the workers within reach.

Right now, the north is very easy to manage. Taking or replacing Grenoble shouldn't be attempted lightly, because it will complicate matters a lot. We don't know how much land is to the north, but given the number of troops approaching from that direction, there may be some strong producers there. Right now, Leipzig/Munich defense is aided by rotating troops through Berlin, where they can heal. That way, the 2 MPs in Berlin are kind of virtual. The warrior that's in Leipzig right now came from Berlin as backup in case of a loss, and the rSpear and eSpear in Berlin and Munich were switched just this turn.

Healthy spears on forest covering our attackers haven't been attacked so far, but they always formed a stack that was a big as any enemy stack next to it.

I wouldn't attempt any offensive to the north without an army to help during the early stage of consolidation.

 

[Mumpulus]

The south was also relatively easy to handle during my turns, but I think that may change soon with more Indian troops arriving. Current Indian movement is along the southern gray arrow, but during earlier turns, there were arrivals along the northern arrow as well. Corinth is clearly the target now.

The same goes for the Greeks, who also shifted their full attention to Corinth. It's only during the last turn, when the second army was in Corinth, that they've shifted their focus. It may be possible to let them dance around a bit by leaving Heidelburg undefended. The Greeks may have engineering already though, which would make Heidelburg vulnerable. In fact, the next player should shuffle units between Frankfurt, Hamburg and Heidelburg to cover that. The sword north of Frankfurt can move to Frankfurt (but not to any other town because it's used 2/3 of its movement; I noticed the Heidelburg situation too late).

 

[Mumpulus]

If you look closely at the overview picture at the end of my report, you'll see new borders SW of Thermopylae, which must be Korean. This is obviously good news, but I would put off meeting them as long as possible or until we are ready to go for Seoul. I would take the chance of razing Thermopylae to take away some cultural pressure. The armies should be moved north immediately after to cover the area in fog just in case the Koreans get a settler to the site before the Greeks.

Knossos has only grown to size 7 very recently, so if we could pillage some irrigation it may shrink again. It's on hills though, so I'd bring some cats to attack it; they're extremely close anyway. After that should be Delphi. Like I said before, I don't think it's feasible to take those cities without the combined forces of the 2 armies.

We should raze Knossos and found our own town SW of it (good side of the river). Delphi should also be razed because it will only increase cultural risks, although it is in a decent spot for us. I'd actually found another temporary town 2SE of Heidelburg, which can build workers, until we are able to found across the river.

Corinth should also be replaced sooner or later by a town directly on the wines, because we won't be able to keep improvements in place when shore bombardment comes. That will also allow us to found CxxC on the Thermopylae hills. It will also provide a position that's easier to defend in the short term. I wouldn't wait too long with this because those forests and hills will cost us. As soon as we can chop the forest east of the wines, we should do so, and then after that refound wines town.

 

[Mumpulus]

• The Indian spear will move onto the tile north of Leipzig. There's nothing we can do about that right now without taking too much risk. Remember I also let the pillager hoplite run around for a bit. You just have to control where they can go and prohibit them from stepping on important tiles. The tile north of Leipzig is not important: Berlin will build a sword on the IT, from which you can scroll ahead to fix Leipzig. I could have done that already by using the western forest, but I haven't to make sure that the next player looks into this. Because normally, that forest tile is used by Berlin, so you'll need to scroll ahead regularly to fix Leipzig. Berlin can miss any 2spt tiles to get to 15spt, which is where it should be. The only reason it's not there right now is because of those French archers from 2 turns ago. During our next turn, we can bomb and kill to our hart's content
• Just to reiterate: Berlin should be at 15spt starting next turn, cranking out swords. It can do this at 30% lux with 2 MPs.
• Leipzig is not easy to manage for happiness because of the lack of roads. This is being remedied now. I've been peeling off settlers and workers too.
• Hamburg does 4 turn swords with settlers in between.
• Konigsberg should build a worker and improve tiles in the vicinity. I haven't done so so far because I felt the need to build more troops. I'd keep it on the current growth pattern, squeezing in 4 spears before going for the worker timed with growth.
• Frankfurt has more tiles to work, but needs a lot of work; especially roads to keep happy at larger sizes.
• Munich should be kept small as long as Grenoble is French. Right now it can't grow without taking away from Berlin or Leipzig and those towns are more important right now.
• Heidelburg should build cats, workers and settlers only.
• Nuremberg is a genuine town and should get priority over Heidelburg for tiles. I've kept it on slow growth because of the urgency of military builds.

 

[Mumpulus]

In Own's estimate he'd be back today, so let's return to our regular roster. If no word from Own in 24 hours, Elephantium can take it. Or we can slow it down a bit for the holidays, that'd be fine too.

Roster
Mumpulus - just played
Own - up
Elephantium - on deck
Greebley
glenmetz

 

[Own]

I just got back, so I can take it. I'm kinda tired, so I'll just try and catch up on what's going on and then play tomorrow.

 

[Mumpulus]

One thing I forgot to mention: the reason the wines aren't hooked up is I forgot about that after the tile was pillaged. But it kinda works out, if you wait for the settler in Hamburg. If you don't care to use the settler for that (i.e. a better spot has turned up), the worker at Heidelburg can start roading in a few turns.

 

[Own]

I got it. Game doesn't look promising, but I would rather not be the one to lose it.

 

[Elephantium]

Nope, you can leave that part to me

 

[Own]

You're a good player Elephantium. I promise, you are very good. That start wasn't great, so no sweat. I don't think it was your fault anyway.

We're not close to being conquered, but this game is definately over. No GL, enemies on three sides, no agricultural, dudes in the middle ages with elephants.

Here's a turnlog for five turns, I'll finish the rest tonight. I felt I played this well, but all the good play in the world won't win us this game. Since we're Germany, I thought that I'd do the preturn in german. It's probably a little incorrect, but whatever.

Pre-turn- Ich nenne ,,Munich" ,,München." Ach, da sind zu viele Feinde und keine Land dass wir koenten ohne mehr Heere nehmen. Ich glaube dass wir
koennen nicht dieses Spiel gewinnen.

IBT- Enough German. Terrible IBT. A French archer breaks the normal French attack pattern and threatens workers. Then that Greek archer threatens unprotected Heidelburg, and a Greek horse appears out of nowhere and threatens it also. And the Greeks land a stupid hoplites. However the Indian spear does not threaten Leipzig tiles.

1. Berlin sword > sword, Leipzig sword > sword. The other army approaches Thermopylae. I change Konigsberg to cat; we are mad short on those. I carefully shuffle a lot of units and stop a few workers and we're safe for next turn. I bombard and kill 2 French archers. [2-0]. I decide against changing Berlin to 15 spt, since it would mess up too much. I'm going to wait for a mine to finish, which will in two turns, so we don't have to completely mess stuff up.

IBT- Some scary AIs appear. A France steps on a tile and Leipzig riots. I shouldda seen that coming A Greek archer dies [3-0]. Hoplite pillages a good tile by Hamburg.

2. Kill three hoplites in Thermopylae siege [6-0]. Bombard him once and kill the hoplite with a sword who becomes elite. I then kill 4 archers; 3 Greek, 1 French. [11-0]. With
the pillaged tile from the Hoplite MM gets messed up a lot. I MM Berlin to 11 so it can do another 11 and finish the sword, then I'll get 15 spt because the mine will be done
and Hamburg's population will lower after the settler. Bah, I think I've really messed up MM.

IBT- Well, I think that's the game. A tusker comes out of nowhere and tusks a sword of ours. Also a stack of 3 indian swords and an archer approaches.

3. Raze Thermopylae. In the process I spot purple borders, but of course I don't contact them. I kill 2 French archers [15-1]. I manage to bomb the elepant twice.

IBT- Elephant gets killed by spear.

4. Berlin is MMed to 15 spt after doing a sword >sword. No killing this turn, just positioning and bombardment. The Wheel > Writing. ETA 8 turns at max.

IBT- 2 French archers die on a spear [18-1].

5. Konigsberg cat > cat. München cat > cat. Heidelberg cat > cat. I bombard and kill a French archer, and after that I just reposition some dudes.

 

[ThERat]

Pre-turn- Ich nenne ,,Munich" ,,München." Ach, da sind zu viele Feinde und keine Land dass wir koenten ohne mehr Heere nehmen. Ich glaube dass wir
koennen nicht dieses Spiel gewinnen.

not bad, not bad..though not 100% right

Anyway, you guys need an exceptionally good start with a UU that can win the early wars. You need the GL as well, AWD is no joke, seriously.

 

[Own]

Spricht Man Deutsch in Singapore? Wahrscheinlich nicht. Ja, mein Deutsch ist nicht perfect. Ich habe nur ein Halbjahr(?) von Deutsch 1 gehommen.

Yeah, we need to stop with the German idea. Maya, Sumeria, Celts, or Iros are pretty much the only choices. Anything else is an unnecessary challenge.