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Music of Civ VI

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Ben., Jul 8, 2016.

  1. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    So exuberant and delightful! It's always fun to see and hear the source music and compare with the in-game versions.
     
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  2. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Halala, Bayisa, Uthe Ubhuti Asizomlanda can all be found on Youtube. I'm not sure about Shaka Mamba.
    I was critical of the Zulu themes at first (too "Westernized", no whooping cries :p), but gradually fell in love with them during my overseas trip. :love:
     
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  3. sonicmyst

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  4. WillowBrook

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    I started a game as Wilhelmina last night, and I love her ancient theme! I know some have criticized the song choice, but however dubious its connection to the Netherlands, it made for very pleasant playing. :cool:

    And then I found Shaka right next door - very nice addition to the musical mix. :goodjob:

    (He, however, will not last long. I paused to sleep with his capital under siege and 6 turns left in the ancient era. :p)
     
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  5. halfhalfharp

    halfhalfharp Prince

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    Chinese music is only composed on 5 notes: C, D, E, G, A (Do-re-mi-so-la, if you dont know anything about music theory). It is a pentatonic (5 notes) style, although it certainly had a lot of differences in the long history.

    Even when we switch the key from C major to other keys, e.g. D major in Civ's chinese theme, there will only be 5 different notes at most.

    If you hear a music of more than 5 different types of notes, it is definitely non-chinese.

    Japanese and Korean music may have a different melody scale though, but also pentatonic, as I remember. Pentatonicity is shared by most eastern asian music.

    Example of Japanese style: E-F#-G-B-C (mi-fa#-so-ti-do, as used in Civ6 Japanese theme)
     
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  6. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Don't forget that some Scottish music and some First Nations music are also pentatonic.
     
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  7. halfhalfharp

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    Oh yeah, but that is enough for us to distinguish music styles from many civs already, like Arabic, Greek, Indian, which use more variety of notes.
    Penta-tonicity may be shared, but the melody type (Harmonic, dominant 7, Major/minor, etc) and flow (cadence, rhythm etc) can be very different.
    Let's not listing all of the features here.

    Five notes can make a whole world of music already. Thats one of the fascinating nature of melody.
     
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  8. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Here is Mr. Knorr's kind reply to my inquiry about Tsaiqvanes Tamar Kali, and the Zulu themes:

    Great to hear you're enjoying the music in the Rise and Fall expansion.
    The Georgian vocal trio I was able to work with, Trio Kavkasia, has a very deep knowledge of Georgian music traditions and songs, and they are the ones who introduced me to "Tsaiqvanes Tamar Kali." When I described how the music would be used in game and mentioned Tamar, they suggested this tune as a possibility. It is, in fact, a processional written for Tamar, making it very, very old.

    For the Zulu music selections, we arrived at the choices by a combination of my own research and listening to Zulu music as well as the research of the producer of the Zulu vocal sessions in South Africa, Caleb Vaughn-Jones. I'm not very familiar with the Zulu language, but I know they have different kind of clicks as parts of words, so it is possible the more noticeable "clicking" in these pieces is due simply to the different lyrics. It is also possible the clicking is more apparent with the smaller ensemble versus the choir that was used in Civ V.

    One of the interesting things related to Zulu music is that it can sound quite positive, even when they are singing about very dark things. For instance, "Bayisa" is a war song with lyrics translated as follows:
    Our enemies will be pleased
    Our enemies will eat us
    Today they chasing us out
    Oh they’re coming
    Ohh they’re coming.


    All the best,
    Geoff

    Fun Fact: Caleb Vaughn-Jones performed the Cello for Civ5's Mongolian themes as a substitute for the Morin Khuur. :D
     
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  9. Katakanja

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    Well, it is important to keep a positive mindset even in the most dire of situations... :eek:
     
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  10. Uberfrog

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    As far as I can tell (with the help of the sleeve notes I linked above, and https://isizulu.net/) the Zulu words are as follows:-

    Amanqakith' ayojabula
    Amanq' ayodla thina
    Namuhla bexhosha thina
    Oh bayeza
    Oh bayeza


    The amanqakithi will be pleased
    The vultures will eat us
    Today they will drive us out
    Oh, they're coming
    Oh, they're coming

    If the sleeve notes are to be believed, the amanqakithi (lit. kin of the vulture) are ancient enemies of the Zulu, and there seems to be a play on words here as amanqe means "vulture". So cannibalism may or may not be implied :p.

    In isiZulu the consonants c, x and q correspond with click sounds made at, in turn, the front teeth (dental click), the side teeth (lateral click) and the palate (alveolar click). There's a very fine instruction video here (albeit for isiXhosa) if you want to sing along at home ;) -

     
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  11. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Allegations/accusations of Cannibalism against other tribes/ethnic groups in Sub-Saharan Africa was pretty common in the pre-Modern era....
     
  12. halfhalfharp

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    Yeah, this phenomenon was brought by many novels and adventurers in the colonial era, based on a lot of loosely proved rumors and stereotyping.
     
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  13. Uberfrog

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    Motivated by finally figuring out the words to "Bayisa", I've cobbled together the various bits I've found to make a reasonably coherent (but flawed because... I don't speak a word of Zulu) transcription and rough translation of the Ancient theme for anyone who is interested:

    Uthe ubhut' asizomlanda
    Uthe ubhut' asizomlanda
    Uthe ubhut' asizomlanda (uhyahluhpheka)
    Ayi, ayi, ayi ('sizomland', 'sizomland' o 'sizomlanda uhyahluhpheka)


    Spoiler translation :

    We will fetch our brother
    We will fetch our brother
    We will fetch him (she is suffering)

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    Amanqakith' ayojabula
    Amanq' ayodla thina
    Namuhla bexhosha thina
    O, bayeza
    O, bayeza

    Spoiler translation :

    The amanqakithi will be pleased
    The vultures will eat us
    Today they will drive us out
    Oh, they're coming
    Oh, they're coming


    ---

    Halala
    Halala siyan'bongela
    San'bona maZulu!
    San'bona maZulu amahle!
    Awu ithi nje "Dear Mntanami"
    Nam' angazi, nam' angazi


    Spoiler translation :

    Congratulations
    Congratulations, we are thankful for you
    Hello Zulu people
    Hello, you beautiful Zulu people
    Oh it just says 'My Dear Baby'
    I don't know either, I don't know either"




    The first part (Uthe ubhuti asizomlanda - "we will fetch our brother") is a nice, peaceful song about bringing a woman's fiancé to the wedding . The second (Bayisa, but I think more correctly it is perhaps Bayeza - "they are coming") is, as mentioned above, a more sinister war song about a conflict with a cannibalstic enemy. The final part (Halala - "congratulations") is a widely-sung song of celebration.

    I like the reasonably peaceful, if slightly menacing, introduction it gives the Zulu. Then when the Medieval Era hits and those Impi start their rampage, the stabbing violin strings and the song excerpts, including reference to Shaka being a mamba - or rather a horned adder (indlondlo) - suggest that celebration is now about a victory in war.
     
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  14. oedali

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    Zulu medieval theme is so much fun!
     
  15. Uberfrog

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    Fear not, hosiery fans: after some more careful listening, I think Shaka Mamba does include the reference to socks hinted at in the liner notes.

    As best I can tell, the version in the Medieval theme is as follows:

    weShaka wayindlondlo (sizwile bekusho)
    weShaka wayindlondl' ekhaya (ubhanq' amasokisi semlenze)


    Spoiler translation :
    Shaka is like the horned adder (we heard it said)
    Shaka is from the horned adder's nest (a pair of socks [on] the leg)


    As far as I can tell the socks line is a nonsense lyric added to fit the metre, which is quite common in folk (and indeed pop) songs. But I like to imagine Shaka sporting a particularly snazzy pair of socks while out on his conquests.

    This makes the full lyrics something like this:-

    Spoiler Zulu Medieval Lyrics :
    weShaka wayindlondlo (sizwile bekusho)
    weShaka wayindlondl' ekhaya (ubhanq' amasokisi semlenze)

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    Amanqakith' ayojabula
    Amanq' ayodla thina
    Namuhla bexhosha thina
    O, bayeza
    O, bayeza

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    Ithi nje "Dear Mntanami"
    Ithi nje "Dear Mntanami"
    Nam' angazi, nam' angazi (ukuth' uban' obhale lencwadi)
    Ithi nje "Dear Mntanami"

    Halala
    Halala siyan'bongela

    San'bona maZulu!
    San'bona maZulu amahle!

    Halala
    Halala siyan'bongela



     
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  16. Gabriel Sergio

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    I'm gonna revive this thread since civ 6 music is one of its best features.
    We're getting GS and about music (assuming the leaks are true) :
    1. I'd like to see Haka chant as part of Maori's theme. That'd be badass and a way to show that Maori is a terrifying and fierce civ
    2. Ceddin Deden should be back as Ottoman's theme
     
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    Don't forget the Inca panpipes! I wanna hear that!
     
  18. altayrneto

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    About the Maori, I would like to see a escalition in the music, starting by a song like this and growing up to the Haka:

    And about the Ottomans, Ceddin Deden is a really good idea, but there's also the Mecidiye Marşı and other military marches, and for a more calm option, Güldür Gül, for example


    For the incans, I hear about "El Condor Pasa" and I think it fits pretty well:
     
  19. nzcamel

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    Not Maori though, ae?
    I suspect much of the early Maori soundtrack will rely on vocals, both haka and song.
     
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  20. seasnake

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    Cedin Dedden is fantastic in Civ V, top 3 war theme in the game (with I Vow to Thee My Country and Du Gamla Du Fria). But it’s always fun to hear another song civ-styled, makes for a less-repetitive playlist
     

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