My first mod to CIV4

[qazxc]

My first mod to CIV4 will be…

...Slave workers become regular workers, (i.e. have to pay for them) when the government changes to a democracy or an industrial/modern age republic.

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[rhialto]

Yes, because we all know the democratic Athenians of ancient times never kept any slaves.

 

[alms66]

Neither did the USA...

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Right, but eventually they were freed, right?

 

[rhialto]

Well, yeah, after about never in Athens and almost three generations in the USA. Not really what you'd call automatic response.

The real trigger wasn't democracy, but emancipation, a completeyly different concept.

 

[GenMarshall]

Neither did the USA...

Actualy, read up on your American Civil War history. The United States had slaves, even Thomas Jefferson had slaves. I beleve a wonder that would have a global effect on the world (Much like the Manhattan Project granting Civs to build nukes) to free all of the slaves around the world.

 

[rhialto]

Um, I think he was being sarcastic (as was I in my first post on this thread). Not just the USA, but France, England, and ancient Athens all had slaves long after forming representative governments. Probably a few others too.

 

[mastertyguy]

Slavery is common to lots of civilization. Rome had some, Egypt, United States, French. Even in QC there were slaves. In Modern era, there are still. In africa, some childs are salves, even today.

 

[sir_schwick]

Slavery is an institution born of economic causes, not political or religious. Of course both of those had impacts in nations during the early 1800s, but the fact that other economic alternatives existed helped speed along the process.

 

[GoodGame]

I disagree. In some cultures, I agree servitude was viewed as a way of paying debts. Many slaving cultures did so by conquest, mercernary or direct.

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[Hyronymus]

May I note that trading humans from Africa to the New World started way before 1800, somewhere about 1625. The dutch (and I'm not proud to be dutch when it comes to this) sent the first ship of african natives to the New World to prevent their ships from sailing empty on that route. They made a big profit on it, tragically.

 

[sir_schwick]

May I note that trading humans from Africa to the New World started way before 1800, somewhere about 1625. The dutch (and I'm not proud to be dutch when it comes to this) sent the first ship of african natives to the New World to prevent their ships from sailing empty on that route. They made a big profit on it, tragically.

I meant that slavery as an institution in most developed nations ended in the 1800s. It started in the 15th century when Portugese merchants needed slaves for sugar plantations in South America. Britain outlawed the Atlantic slave trade pretty early 1800s, and many other nations followed suite. Ironically the United States was one of the last big powers to do so, being up there with Russia who emancipated their surfs in 1861 or 1864.

 

[playshogi]

Slavery still exists except that it is called taxation.

 

[Ramalhão]

May I note that trading humans from Africa to the New World started way before 1800, somewhere about 1625.

Slaves may start to go to America around 1625, but getting African men as slaves is even older: in 14 century, when Moslem people ruled all Northern Africa, African slaves were sold to nearly all European countries. Around 1375, Portugal got a monopoly to sell African slaves in Europe.

When these African slaves began to go to America, the business of those Moslem become so good that existed excess of slaves to sell, putting their prices down.

 

[Gelion]

There are still over 60 million slaves in the world some of them in so called Democactic parts of the world..... I don't think this mod will add realism....

 

[Spaceoff]

posting about a mod that you're going to make has nothing to do with the forum youre in, i dont quite see how it fits in here.

 

[GenMarshall]

posting about a mod that you're going to make has nothing to do with the forum youre in, i dont quite see how it fits in here.

Heh, not even an C&C forum for Civ4 has not even been created yet

 

[Sullla]

For that matter, will there even BE slave workers in Civ4? This is why I would wait until the game comes out before starting work on mods.

 

[qazxc]

posting about a mod that you're going to make has nothing to do with the forum youre in, i dont quite see how it fits in here.

Saints, preserve us! I thought this was the Ideas and Suggestions forum. Oops, I just got an idea for a suggestion - I’ll draw it up and post it.

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[qazxc]

Yes, because we all know the democratic Athenians of ancient times never kept any slaves.

… The real trigger wasn't democracy, but emancipation, a completeyly different concept. .

Just ‘cause some call their governance a democracy, it don’t mean that they are in fact a democracy... In Civ we apply the dictionary definition, I think.
Democracy is a fuzzy process, and emancipation is a definite preamble to that process.

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