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[Elephantium]

Pre-Flight:

New York needs its Grassland tile improved
Boston has too many tiles improved for its size
Boston citizens working Ivory tiles, resulting in 1 extra commerce to Science.
Changed Miami's 2nd citizen from forest to grassland mine (growth in 4 instead of 5 turns, no production change due to corruption).
Steely Dan, Ivory Coast, Springfield's need tile improvements.

There's a fortified Warrior near Steely Dan. What's his mission?

IBT:

Cleo complains about our troops. We apologize.

Turn 1 (430BC):
Washington: Settler->Settler

IBT:

Philly riots. Oops. Change taxman to entertainer.
French complete the Great Wall.

Turn 2 (410BC):

Houston founded. Making catapult.
Archer disperses barbs.
Egypt has Construction! Cleo wants contact with the Aztecs, Phil, CoL, 60 gold, AND our world map. I decline.

IBT:

Zzzz...

Turn 3 (390BC):

Chicago: Galley->Galley

IBT:

Zzzzz...

Turn 4 (370BC):

Mustang: Worker->Worker
Miami: Catapult->Settler
Steely: Worker->Worker
Buffalo founded. Making catapult.

IBT:

Egypt lands another settler on our western shore.

Turn 5 (350BC):

NY: Settler->Horseman
Seattle: Barracks->Horseman
Boston expands. Sell Temple for 7 gold.
Washington can't finish the settler for 2 more turns. Switch to Horseman.

IBT:

Egypt founds Avaris on our western shore.

Turn 6 (330BC):

Wash: Horseman->Settler (6 turns to complete)
Phil: Settler->Settler

IBT:

Suicide galley lost.

Turn 7 (310BC):

Founded St. Louis. Making Catapult.
Cleopatra has Philosophy now. She wants our WM, CoL, 150 gold, and contact with the Aztecs in exchange for Construction. She's willing to bargain down to 65 gold, keeping the rest.

IBT:

Aztecs complain about our exploring Galley. We apologize.

Turn 8 (290BC):

Archer disperses barb camp.

IBT:

Zzzzz...

Turn 9 (270BC):

Mustang Canal: Worker->Settler
Atlanta: Settler->Catapult
Springfield: Worker->Catapult
Detroit founded. Making Galley.

IBT:

Egyptian galley spotted near Buffalo.

Turn 10 (250BC):

SF: Settler->Settler
New Orleans founded. Making Barracks.

IBT:

Zzzzz....

Turn 11 (230BC):

Washington: Settler->Swordsman
Philly riots. Entertainer added.
Chicago: Galley->Galley
Upgrade Warrior to Swordsman in Boston.
Our exploring Galley near Aztec lands encounters a barbarian Galley. We fortify.

IBT:

Egypt lands a settler north of Mustang Canal.
Barbarians attack our galley. Barbarians sink.

Turn 12 (210BC):

Boston: Horseman->Settler

IBT:

Zzzz...

Turn 13 (190BC):

Move troops.

IBT:

Egypt moves its latest Settler into position to nab the Iron North of Mustang Canal.

Turn 14 (170BC):

Miami: Settler->Barracks
Steely Dan: Worker->Galley
Baltimore founded near Ivory Coast. Making Catapult.
Upgrade Warrior to Swordsman in Washington.
Switch St. Louis to Galley to avoid shield loss with tree-chop.
Move sci slider to 50% - Republic still comes in 3 turns, but our gpt is +8 instead of -1!
Egypt is obviously researching CoL: The price for Construction keeps going up and up. At this point, I think we should sell her The Republic in exchange for Construction.

IBT:

Suicide Galley lost in treacherous waters!

Turn 15 (150BC):

Forest harvested near x.
NY: Horseman->Horseman
Phil: Settler->Settler
Seattle: Horseman->Horseman
Ivory Coast: Cat->Cat

No units moved yet.

Summary:
Expansion and exploration continued. Founded several cities, killed some barbs, made a few new military units. No success at getting across the ocean yet.
War with Egypt is looking more and more likely, but we still have some room to start a few new cities.

 

[JJJSpider]

Without a Pic. I am not Sure where Buffalo was founded.

Also depends on where the settler is at. I think I would just chose the closest location for the settler.

As for the Forfied Warrior he was healling up after a Barb Attack.

With Cleo with a Tech and some Town on the west we might start to shift some troops there to take those towns in the future. Not to start right a away but be able to strike quick and fast when the time comes.

 

[Elephantium]

Buffalo was founded to the west, north of where Cleo is expanding. I have another settler about to found another city south of Buffalo and a third coming online in a couple of turns - those three will cover the highlighted city locations in the last image.

I seem to recall discussion of ring city placement, and I'm not sure if we're still going with that.

 

[choxorn]

Well then, where's the screenshot?

 

[Elephantium]

Oops, I forgot to take the screenie this morning - I was in a hurry because I had a meeting to go to.

...they offered me a job at the meeting, by the way

Anyway, the screenie is attached below.

The red circles are places that will be settled within 4 turns, so the settler at Phil would do better going for something in the area of one of the pink circles. I'm not sure about exact placement, though; I'm used to playing C3C where ring placement doesn't matter.

 

[choxorn]

Wow, Aztecs sure are expanding slow- they only have 5 cities!!

 

[JJJSpider]

I told You Monty had some terrible Jungle up there to deal with Plus I think he had only one city that could even get past size three when we found him.

Okay I think the RCP was at 4 so I went with that for most of my Cities placements. However, beyond ring two I think it just OCP.
It appears we are on an Arch. Map so coastal cites are important.
Blue Dots are Ring 1 placement. But I see No loactions left for that.
Green is Ring 2 I see only Two locations and Only one is good Where you have your Purple Circle.
The other by Egypt city but takes the BG and with so few good tile there I don't like it.
Pink Ring 3 not so important but the are a few placement for those.

Until we figure where we want our FP I think RCP is now out the window.

CONGRATS! on the offer. Hope the Money is Good. I am just starting my new Job search myself.

 

[Elephantium]

I'm starting to think it's important to buy Construction from Cleo, even if the price is extravagant. She's advancing in tech at quite a clip.

On the other hand, I'm loathe to get her in contact with the Aztecs.

What do you guys think?

Edit: I'm done with my turnset. The save is attached to this post.

 

[choxorn]

As soon as it seems nessecary to trade contact between Egypt and Aztecs, make the trade.

 

[JJJSpider]

Well, Choxorn
Looks like you get to make that descision Trade with Cleo or WAR!
and make her give up that tech.
If you do the Trade make sure you Trade Philo and COl to Monty First. while it still a Monopoly Tech.

 

[choxorn]

Well, I'll download the save. If I want the cities Egypt has on our continent...
Well, I think you know.
Although goodmsell is up, I don't see any sign of his RL problems ending. I'll give him to tomorrow to post his got it, or I'll assume he still has RL problems.

 

[Elephantium]

In hindsight, I probably should have traded for Construction as soon as I saw that Cleo had it. The price went dramatically up once she researched Philosophy (and presumably started on CoL).

 

[choxorn]

Well, goodsmell has been on since my last post, and I imagine he would have posted a "got it" if he could, so I'm taking the assumption that he still has RL problems.

Roster:
goodsmell: RL problems, maybe he would care to explain
choxorn: UP, got it
TripleJ: On deck
Elephantium: Just Played

 

[choxorn]

Hey- do we want to revolt now? It's Turn 2 of my set, and I've just gotten Republic (and traded it to Egypt for Construction), but I am unsure about when we want to revolt, so I need feedback.

 

[Elephantium]

I always revolt ASAP. The less time in Despotism, the better!

Is there any particular reason to avoid revolting right away?

 

[JJJSpider]

I don't Like being in Despo Either.
However, We don't have any markets and alot of troops so if we do go to Repub. we will be on the loosing end of money silder. But we do have a huge surplus. so go for it.

 

[choxorn]

Well, sometimes when you don't have high enough surplus or too much military, you don't won't to revolt ASAP, which is why I asked. But since everyone seems to agree, I'll revolt.

 

[choxorn]

Well, the set's done. Actually, it has been for a while, but I never got the oppurtunity to post it.

Pre-Turn (150 BC):
-There are still a billion units to move. Elephantium, you're supposed to move them before uploading the save!

IBT:
-In the north, outside of Mustang Canal: Egypt moves their Settler away from next to the iron, giving me a chance to grab it with one of the ones Elephantium left me. Suckers!

Turn 1 (130 BC):
-found denver next to the Iron.
-pop hut: get maps.

IBT:
-We get Republic: Set research to Currency, due in 8 (I think).
-Advisor asks for revolt. I decide to stay until turn 2 ends.
-Washington: Sword->Harbor

Turn 2 (110 BC):
-I trade Egypt Republic for Construction, 118 gold, and their WM (all they had that they'd give) The WM doesn't reveal much, but it's better than nothing!
-galley vs. barb galley: barb is at the bottom of the ocean. (1-0)
-Now, I revolt. Draw... 7-turn Anarchy. (the max amount of possible anarchy turns)

IBT:
-Philly riots.

Turn 3 (90 BC):
-Change two unhappy citizens in Philly for remainder of Anarchy (after which I can use the lux slider).
-found Cincinnati in the hole in our territory just outside of Boston, Buffalo, and Detroit.

IBT:
zzz

Turn 4 (70 BC):
-Found Dallas at the tip of the SE penninsula.

IBT:
zzz

Turn 5 (50 BC):
zzz

IBT:
-I see a barb attack Buto, a city north of Denver that was founded by Egypt last turn. the barb one and entered the city. Hmmm...

Turn 6 (30 BC):
-I send an archer inside the culture borders of Buto. Sure enough, it's completely undefended right now. If only I wasn't in anarchy...

IBT:
-Cleo complains about the archer. Like I said, I don't want a war in Anarchy, so I say yes.

Turn 7 (10 BC):
-an archer pops literature from a hut.

IBT:
-Houston riots.

Turn 8 (10 AD):
zzz

IBT:
-Philly riots again. Luckily, I emerge into republic now.
-Suicide Galley lost in treacherous waters.

Turn 9 (30 AD):
-I solve Philly and Houston's riots via taxmen, as I don't think two rioting citeis is worth the lux slider.
-An archer attacks a barb in camp, wins, takes the camp. (2-0)

IBT:
zzz

Turn 10 (50 AD):
zzz

IBT:
-Atlanta: Catapult->spear
-Chicago: Galley->spear
-Springfield: Catapult->spear

Turn 11-Turn 12 (70-90 AD):


IBT:
-Washington riots.
-So does Boston.
-Buffalo: Catapult->spear

Turn 13 (110 AD):
-Now it's worth the slider. I set lux to 10% and Science to 40% (it was at 50% before):

IBT:
-The Aztecs ask for a WM trade. Sorry, no.
-NY: Horse->Settler
-Boston: Settler->Spear
-Houston: Catapult->Spear

Turn 14 (130 AD):


IBT:
-Seattle: Horse->Sword
-Ivory Coast: Catapult->spear
-Heleopolis completes the collosus.

Turn 15 (150 AD):
-Egypt has Polytheism! I decide to trade. I trade Literature and Contact w/ the Aztecs for Polt, 5 gold, and their WM.
-I now trade the Aztecs Philosophy and Literature for 135 gold and their WM.

Endturn Screenie:

Notes:
-I didn't trade the Aztecs Polytheism, CoL, or Republic, but they have no gold- All they can offer is a WM, which I already got, so we'd essentially be giving them free techs. You can decide whether or not to do this.
-That galley has headed for that goody hut on the island with that Aztec city. I know it will still be there, since I played through the IBT on my computer and it was there next turn, so it will be unless yourt computer plays it different. There were some other importnat things, but that would be spoilering.

Here's theSave

 

[JJJSpider]

END TURN SREENIE:

Pre-turn:
MM To finish some builds right. For Growth and Some extra Gold
Change a lot of Spearmen Builds with No barracks to Cat or Galleys
Wake up my Military time for War with Egypt So I going to get ready

IBT: Monty and Cleo Start GLB

Turn 1 (170BC):
Currency in set to Feudalism
Changed Several Cites of Size three or Greater to Markets Shaving off some more no Barracks towns building Spearmen.
Also disbanded all Reg Warriors for shields.
Demand Worker form Egypt she complies. Declare War
Destroyed Avis with Horsemen 1-0

IBT: ZZZ

Turn 2 (190 AD):
Destroyed Bulto
Changed all Settler builds to a holder pop hut for nothing.
Moving in on Asyut

IBT: Egypt Galley moves on Buffalo

Turn 3 (210AD):
Moves some more Troops
Getting some Galleys ready for some suicide plunges

IBT: Galley moves north

Turn 4 (230AD):
Destroy Asyut capture a worker
Two Horses go red and retreat 1 dies, I Kills the Spearmen and Promotes (2-1)

IBT: Galley Moves south

Turn 5 (250AD):
Establish Swamp Horse in the North West

IBT: Galley Moves North
Monty Ask us to Leave. I apologize

Turn 6 (260AD):
Have Contact with France Galley is still in Deep Water.
We have Currency up and she has the Monarchy.
Also Contact with Germany, English, Russia
She won’t give up contacts only for another contact holding out.

IBT: Galley Moves North

Turn 7 (270AD):
Exploring French Lands

IBT: ZZZ

Turn 8 (280AD):
Establish Fort Azteca: in the North East Blocking off any more Monty advances -> Temple for Culture Pressure there.

IBT: Galley finally drops of settler pair Move in for the kill.

Turn 9 (290AD):
Establish Fro Toe in the South
Meet our backwards German Friends they are Down Republic, Math, and Lit
I hurried the Temple in Fort Azteca We had the Cash.

IBT:

Turn 10 (300AD):
Germany is now up Monotheism.
Big Swing for them.
Destroy Settler pair (3-1)
Make peace with Egypt for World map and all the gold.
Bismarck is willing to Trade Wm and Contact with Russians for Republic sounds good to me. I know France all ready had it.
Russia is Down Republic and Currency but wont Trade Monarchy Except for Contact.
Only Offers 20 Gold for Currency holding out.

IBT: ZZZ

Turn 11 (310AD):
Feudalism in one Slider Down.
Just move some Troops and worker Moves for irrgation.

IBT: England Complete GLB
France the Hanging Gardens

Turn 12 (320AD):
Feudalism in set to Engineering in 16
I sell Russia Currency for WM and Contact with English
I sell England Republic for Monarchy WM and 20 Gold.
Sell Feudalism for Monotheism and 4 gold
Then Trade Monotheism to France for 50 Gold
Trade monotheism to England for Everything they got. And then Gift Feudalism to her. She gets it next turn for free anyways.
So I now have all there WM and all there cash. And we are a Tech Leader.

IBT: France starts on Sun TZU

Turn 13 (330AD):
Started up some Science Farms in a few places

IBT:

Turn 14 (340AD):
Started Wash on Sun Tzu Could be a prebuild for Leo’s Change as desired
Started a few corrupt towns on Temples for Culture and expansion. Change as you see fit these are mostly Science Farms as is.

IBT: ZZZ

Turn 15 (350AD):
ZZZ

Summary:
An Effective War Removed Egypt from our Island. 2 Elite Victory no GL
Started moving Troops over to Monty side if you so choose a war with him. He has no Horses either.
I let most builds finish and I then switched them to Marketplaces Most will be done in the next set.
Started irrigation projects to our Science Farms and have few in place working away.
Mange to get all the other contacts and trade ourselves into a tech position but with the GL in effect for England Any trades down also have to involve her get her cash at all times until Education.
Settled in the South West will need to get workers there to hook up the dyes. Have settler heading to the North West to probably settle that last spot.

I did not establish any new embassy.

View attachment 133462

 

[choxorn]

What happened with the goody hut? Was it still there? Also, when I played the IBT, I got a palace expansion.