My personal thread: Clarification of certain game mechanics

[elmurcis]

Not sure if this is under questions or just to understand "what was that?" thing..
So short story - up to Communism worked my way to make PAlliance (with big Budism+shrind Charlie) and everything was great.. but now this - right after geting Comunism I sign PA with him. But at that moment his Privateer (well, it got yellow flag next turn and I knew its ownership because there was Frigate next to it doing nothing ) was blocking some tiles (making 2 my coastal cities to starve)...
Now Privateer (because can't block anymore - I can't attack that too because now its Charlie not neutral ship) went away but blocked tiles stayed impossible to work . Got my Frigate going over blocked tiles - nothing changes... Huh, strange reason to reload game (from autosaves - hate this when it has been clean game without some serious mistakes) - but something new in game...

 

[elmurcis]

Sorry for message again here yes, that was some game bug - can't sign PA with AI that is actively blocking some of your teritory with Privateer. Made 2 tries more - both times blocked tiles stayed the same after Privateer left.
Another thing about PA - if want to decide to build or not some wonder (or space part too? - just to put in some city production list) AI has to finish tech not human.. easy to check with asking to change research and adjusting slider so can't finish in 1 turn on your own but will finish in 1 turn with Ai help. And your "body" can attack somebody else (so instant war possible). And very nice feature - AI gifts hit movie/single/musical same turn it finishes that wonder.. saves some time

 

[Fippy]

(I was looking for how many hammers an AI have invested in a build, via espionage costs. Sometimes it is useful).

Same
Would look for help / confirmation on one example.
Pic

Spoiler :

I have 240EP, and the AI 225.

Cannot use the easier formula from Doshin without Influence Civics, with this one

SabotageProduction*((EspionageByAIOntoYou+100)/(3*InvestigateCity)

i get 216h. Can that be right?

Great, ty Pangaea ~~

 

[Pangaea]

Another formula (probably easier as it's always available)

( SabotageProduction / SupportCityRevolt ) * 650 / 6 ==> 1796 / 988 * 650 / 6 = 197

I've used this formula on AIs I have city inspection on (meaning I can see exactly how many hammers they have invested), and it's usually spot on, sometimes one hammer off. So 197h should be correct.

 

[Pangaea]

Here are a couple of examples.

1. Spoiler :

   
   
   652 / 487 * 650 / 6 = 145
   (for InfluenceCivics): 652 / 675 * 150 (Epic) = 145
   
   
   
   
2. Spoiler :

   
   
   489 / 442 * 650 / 6 = 120
   (for InfluenceCivics): 489 / 612 * 150 (Epic) = 120
   

 

[Pangaea]

I have a question about teleporting. Anybody care to explain?

Teleporting 101

When a unit is forced to teleport (borders closed, cease fire) out of enemy territory, it jumps from the Origin tile to a Destination tile. It selects the destination tile with the lowest score based on the formula:
2*teleportDistance + distance to our nearest city (nearest to the origin tile, not the destination tile).
So it combines a desire to make a small jump with the desire to jump towards the homeland. If the jump is small enough, the unit can teleport away from home.
Note: Distance counts 1.5 for diagonal moves.
More precisely (you need to truncate the teleportDistance and the final score...)
Floor(2* Floor(teleportDistance) + distance)

For an example, see this turnset.

Teleporting 201

In the case of a tie. Tiles are checked from bottom left to bottom right of the entire map. All the tiles on y=0, then y=1, etc.
The first one found of the tiles that are tied is the destination.

Given the formula above, I thought the easternmost unit would jump northwest. Instead it jumped further, and towards home. It's early in the game, so I just have the one city.

 

[sampsa]

I have a question about teleporting. Anybody care to explain? Given the formula above, I thought the easternmost unit would jump northwest. Instead it jumped further, and towards home. It's early in the game, so I just have the one city.

Maybe the unit is ejected 1E, but since that is water, it takes another jump to an adjacent tile that is closest to nearest city.

 

[Snowbird]

I have a question about teleporting. Anybody care to explain?

current position 3x1.5+2+2x(1.5+1)=4.5+2+5=11.5
your wish 5x1.5+3+2x1.5=7.5+3+3=13.5
11.5<13.5
(1S from teleport 2x1.5+3+2x2x1.5 = 12)

Did I miss anything?

 

[sampsa]

Did I miss anything?

I think that is correct. I didn't understand the formula at first...

 

[Pangaea]

current position 3x1.5+2+2x(1.5+1)=4.5+2+5=11.5
your wish 5x1.5+3+2x1.5=7.5+3+3=13.5
11.5<13.5
(1S from teleport 2x1.5+3+2x2x1.5 = 12)

Did I miss anything?

That's probably it, and it makes more sense given that WT says units want to jump towards home. But I got hooked up on the phrasing "2*teleportDistance + distance to our nearest city (nearest to the origin tile, not the destination tile)" << underlined. If the distance was supposed to be in relation to the origin tile, it should be the same independent of where the unit jumped. But it must probably be in relation to the destination tile, which also means units will favour jumping towards home.

 

[Snowbird]

That's probably it, and it makes more sense given that WT says units want to jump towards home. But I got hooked up on the phrasing "2*teleportDistance + distance to our nearest city (nearest to the origin tile, not the destination tile)" << underlined. If the distance was supposed to be in relation to the origin tile, it should be the same independent of where the unit jumped. But it must probably be in relation to the destination tile, which also means units will favour jumping towards home.

I think 'nearest' in the brakects refers to nearest city (like for picking target city to calculate from in case player has multiple cities)not anything directly related towards tiles unit stands on.