tossi
Der kleine Prinz
culture for example
Nation Bashing
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Angelscotboi
Emperor
Heres something to inflame all you Americans.
The USA should no more be a Civ in Civilization than Australia should as both nations are not Civs but mere countries descended from European Civilizations.
But they are in it - and in my opinion it is because of Political Correctness that they are in.
And for the same reasons Australia shouldnt be a Civ.
Live with it because its not going to change, having a stupid Sig war is really immature.
Sheep I have to say im surprised at you you supposed to be an adult - at least Jase has an excuse hes still a kid but your a grown guy.
The USA should no more be a Civ in Civilization than Australia should as both nations are not Civs but mere countries descended from European Civilizations.
But they are in it - and in my opinion it is because of Political Correctness that they are in.
And for the same reasons Australia shouldnt be a Civ.
Live with it because its not going to change, having a stupid Sig war is really immature.
Sheep I have to say im surprised at you you supposed to be an adult - at least Jase has an excuse hes still a kid but your a grown guy.
Jason The King
Deity
Actually, lmsw, I do agree, America shouldn't be a civ. They should replace it with something more historicaly, like an American Native tribe, perhaps the Sioux or Navajo. It's what goes along with what is in his sig that gets the debate going.
Again, im not inflamed. I am having fun debating with Sheep. And how can one say America is not a very good place to be right now? I am having a nice time, and I can't think of one reason why it would be any different to be here right now then two years ago. Cus of the terrorists? We have had nothing happen since 9/11, I feel quite safe. It would be more dangerous to live in Britain or other countries, who have constant terrorist activities.
Again, im not inflamed. I am having fun debating with Sheep. And how can one say America is not a very good place to be right now? I am having a nice time, and I can't think of one reason why it would be any different to be here right now then two years ago. Cus of the terrorists? We have had nothing happen since 9/11, I feel quite safe. It would be more dangerous to live in Britain or other countries, who have constant terrorist activities.
tossi, american culture is all over, i'm sure if you look around your home you will find a McDonald's somewhere. And then there is Disney. Both American pastimes in Europe. We may not have temples or big churches, but we do have Disney World, which is much more entertaining.
lmsw, we may have descended from Europeon cultures, but the cultures have combined to form an entirely different and new culture. Plus America has played such a major part in the past 100 years, that the world would be incredibly different without us. Thus, the game wouldnt be complete without America.
As for sigs. You can thank Skilord for mine and jason's signatures. And Jason's right, debates are fun.
(it is slightly unrealistic though that America can start from 4000 BC, but hell, same with most of all the other civs.)
lmsw, we may have descended from Europeon cultures, but the cultures have combined to form an entirely different and new culture. Plus America has played such a major part in the past 100 years, that the world would be incredibly different without us. Thus, the game wouldnt be complete without America.
As for sigs. You can thank Skilord for mine and jason's signatures. And Jason's right, debates are fun.
(it is slightly unrealistic though that America can start from 4000 BC, but hell, same with most of all the other civs.)
Bah, south americans mostly live or work here anyways. We consider ourselves "Americans". Not sure where that came from, it's just easier to say than United Statians.
Jason The King
Deity
Why? Does it hurt you if we use America, erez? Is it confusing at all? EVERYONE KNOWS WE MEAN THE USA. besides, the continents are NORTH America and SOUTH America.
erez87
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HA! I never heard of Brazilians working in USA! You realy tink yourself dont' you? Belive me I don't think Chile, Paraguy go ALLL that way just to work.
You consider yourself Americans like Israel consider itself Asian. Both are mostly wrong... Your way more europe than america. while we are to, way more europe than asian.
You consider yourself Americans like Israel consider itself Asian. Both are mostly wrong... Your way more europe than america. while we are to, way more europe than asian.
Constantine
at least it isnt the sens
Just get back at him with your sig.
Angelscotboi
Emperor
EQ - The USA may have some semblance of a culture now but that does not mean they are a Civilization.
The USA most certainly is not.
The USA is a country which is a rough union of cultures and peoples - not a Civilization in its own right.
Therefore it should not be in Civilization - but it is, I live with it.
If the USA is in then Australia should have the chance to be in too, and Canada, and Brazil - and all of the Successor and Child States of the once great European CIVILIZATIONS.
Flaming and sig warring is pointless and immature.
The USA most certainly is not.
The USA is a country which is a rough union of cultures and peoples - not a Civilization in its own right.
Therefore it should not be in Civilization - but it is, I live with it.
If the USA is in then Australia should have the chance to be in too, and Canada, and Brazil - and all of the Successor and Child States of the once great European CIVILIZATIONS.
Flaming and sig warring is pointless and immature.
Plexus
Architeuthidae puericomedentis
See, I don't agree with you on the fact that the greatest power in the world should not be included in a game just because it is descended from another, if Firaxis was thinking along those lines when they created the game, all we would have would be Phoenicians, Aryans, Chinese and Proto-Europeans, nearly all civilizations are descended from these four civilizations. Let's take England for an example: England is merely a combination of Celtic and Germanic cultures.
In my understanding, they selected these Civilizations to be in the game on the fact that they were at one time the greatest power, or the greatest regional power of their time.
In my understanding, they selected these Civilizations to be in the game on the fact that they were at one time the greatest power, or the greatest regional power of their time.
Oruc
Reactionary
england has a celtic culture?? what the hell are you on about
emu, actually England is a massive blend of many cultures, Roman, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman, and Viking, plus no doubt some i've missed.
Lmsw, as i said above to emu, england is as much of a blend as the US, and the mere fact that we are the most power and have influenced quite a bit of things gives us reason to be in Civ3.
BTW, this no doubt should be in a different section of the forums.
Lmsw, as i said above to emu, england is as much of a blend as the US, and the mere fact that we are the most power and have influenced quite a bit of things gives us reason to be in Civ3.
BTW, this no doubt should be in a different section of the forums.
Jason The King
Deity
why? is it not ok right here?
LOL @ Constantine btw.
And erez u missed the point. Anyways, what would u have us call ourselves? United Statesians? Thats just stupid.
LOL @ Constantine btw.
And erez u missed the point. Anyways, what would u have us call ourselves? United Statesians? Thats just stupid.
Sgt.Hellfish
King of the Oceans
lol, EQ is right there though i mean Britain is such a blend of nations and cultures all of which have been assimilated into the British culture. Oh and by the way Anglo-Saxons were the Brits that lived in the Angle areas. The saxons were a different people
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
I started it why? Cause I hate the American government. The civ of America is a civilisation made of others. It is only 300 years old and has not stood any test of time. Futhermore I think what if funny is the signature Jason made in rebuttal.
Say no to Australia as a Civ. - It isnt a Civilisaiton
What the hell is Australia? - an island continent south of Asia
Afraid to oppose Europe, - umm we dislike EU agircultuarl policies and also suported the US government (musch to my disdain) in Iraq against French and German wishes.
afraid of letting its people be any more free than is politically correct. - you're saying one of the oldest and most stabilised democracies in the world are not free. You are saying that because everyone is able to achieve citzenship, that everyone is able to vote, and that everyone can run for office that we are not free, I like to see where you get this sh!t from Jase.
The only nation that Slaughtered more natives than America, We killed 30,000 through direct confrontations and genoicede, of which the Australian government has said sorry. We have not signed a treaty although majority of the citizens think we should and the primary oppostion party thinks we should. There was an estimated 400,000 deaths due to deaseases introduced. Now I think the North American Indian deaths accumulate to more than 430,000 people, during the course of Western Imperialism in the area of the United States. Remember if you choose not to include British, French and Dutch caused deaths then you cannot blame any aboriginal deaths on Australia until 1901 when we became a nation.
What is good about it? When I figure out, I'll tell you. I think the question you should be asking is what not good about Australia?
Say no to Australia as a Civ. - It isnt a Civilisaiton
What the hell is Australia? - an island continent south of Asia
Afraid to oppose Europe, - umm we dislike EU agircultuarl policies and also suported the US government (musch to my disdain) in Iraq against French and German wishes.
afraid of letting its people be any more free than is politically correct. - you're saying one of the oldest and most stabilised democracies in the world are not free. You are saying that because everyone is able to achieve citzenship, that everyone is able to vote, and that everyone can run for office that we are not free, I like to see where you get this sh!t from Jase.
The only nation that Slaughtered more natives than America, We killed 30,000 through direct confrontations and genoicede, of which the Australian government has said sorry. We have not signed a treaty although majority of the citizens think we should and the primary oppostion party thinks we should. There was an estimated 400,000 deaths due to deaseases introduced. Now I think the North American Indian deaths accumulate to more than 430,000 people, during the course of Western Imperialism in the area of the United States. Remember if you choose not to include British, French and Dutch caused deaths then you cannot blame any aboriginal deaths on Australia until 1901 when we became a nation.
What is good about it? When I figure out, I'll tell you. I think the question you should be asking is what not good about Australia?
Angelscotboi
Emperor
My point is that the older nations have the right to be called "Civilizations" because of the mark they have left on the world and because they are all ancient nations which as sheep has said - have stood the test of time.
But the USA does not have that right because again as sheep said it is barely 300 years old, and for the majority of that time it was a mediocre second rate nation that could only compete with the Spanish Empire, and the French, Dutch, and British Empires - hell the Russian Empire, left the USA in the shade.
In comparason with the rest of the nations/cultures included in the game such as the Mongols, Arabs, Indians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, English etc - the United States' influence and greatness barely an imprint on the history of the world.
And almost certainly US influence is rapidly waning as support for globalisation gains momentum.
Based on all the reason Firaxis chose Civilizations for in Civ - the US only fufills one, and that is public recognition, the rest it fails to make the grade.
So the only conclusion i can make is that Firaxis included the USA to avoid outraging a large part of the worlds population - purely political maneovering to ensure maximum profit.
I can think of many more Civilizations far more worthy of the spot the USA occupies - but in saying that I would not remove the USA from Civ 3, in fact if i was Sid Meier i most definately wouldn include the US in the game if only to increase potential for sales.
And EQ i should point out that i am not from England - I am from the nation of Scotland a seperate nation from England with a people and culture its own.
Scotland did not suffer the same kind of cultural blending England did - because the natives of Alba were subjugated and absorbed by the Scots.
Also sgt.hellfish, the Anglo-Saxons were only named so after Saxon invaders came to the island and seized control of wealthy south east England and thereby the crown of England following the withdrawal of Rome from the Islands before that they were simply Angles.
But the USA does not have that right because again as sheep said it is barely 300 years old, and for the majority of that time it was a mediocre second rate nation that could only compete with the Spanish Empire, and the French, Dutch, and British Empires - hell the Russian Empire, left the USA in the shade.
In comparason with the rest of the nations/cultures included in the game such as the Mongols, Arabs, Indians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Japanese, English etc - the United States' influence and greatness barely an imprint on the history of the world.
And almost certainly US influence is rapidly waning as support for globalisation gains momentum.
Based on all the reason Firaxis chose Civilizations for in Civ - the US only fufills one, and that is public recognition, the rest it fails to make the grade.
So the only conclusion i can make is that Firaxis included the USA to avoid outraging a large part of the worlds population - purely political maneovering to ensure maximum profit.
I can think of many more Civilizations far more worthy of the spot the USA occupies - but in saying that I would not remove the USA from Civ 3, in fact if i was Sid Meier i most definately wouldn include the US in the game if only to increase potential for sales.
And EQ i should point out that i am not from England - I am from the nation of Scotland a seperate nation from England with a people and culture its own.
Scotland did not suffer the same kind of cultural blending England did - because the natives of Alba were subjugated and absorbed by the Scots.
Also sgt.hellfish, the Anglo-Saxons were only named so after Saxon invaders came to the island and seized control of wealthy south east England and thereby the crown of England following the withdrawal of Rome from the Islands before that they were simply Angles.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
BTW. Just so you know I aint saying Australia should be a civ, as Britian colonised us, we are part of theirs, really I think our cities should be on their list. But I am sayinf America should not be one.
Oh and btw, I know Jason aint but for the rest of you dont be surprised if I am saying this not aimed against you but in the spirit of anti-American debate. Someone needs to stand up for Muslims who are being scapegoated for the actions of a few and their views of American foregin policy nee American imperialism in the Middle East
Oh and btw, I know Jason aint but for the rest of you dont be surprised if I am saying this not aimed against you but in the spirit of anti-American debate. Someone needs to stand up for Muslims who are being scapegoated for the actions of a few and their views of American foregin policy nee American imperialism in the Middle East
Sgt.Hellfish
King of the Oceans
Ah yes but in the south west the Angles resided and for some reason this is where England gets its name. Angleland. Odd considerin they were one of teh smaller tribes and everyone had called the isand Britany or britania etc. anyway this is a massive topic and id rather not go in depth as to teh origins of any English or British peoples.
Btw does any1 know how Wales came into the union of Britain (i mean Scotland and England have ties in their monarchy etc but i dont know when or how wales joined Great Britain)
Btw does any1 know how Wales came into the union of Britain (i mean Scotland and England have ties in their monarchy etc but i dont know when or how wales joined Great Britain)
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