Native American Civilizations: help me!!!

[CivArmy s. 1994]

I would like opinions about these three civilizations from North America.

Fellows, I'm waiting for tips

 

[CivArmy s. 1994]

I need complete these lists, I'm waiting for tips.
Special thank you to Sword of Geddon that gave me persion to use the leaders list and city names Navaho and Sioux from Native American Mod, Mobilize did the stuffs to Cherokee civilization.
The civlilopedia entry of these 3 civis will be done by Mobilize

Cherokee

Civilization: Cherokee
Bonuses: Commercial and Scientific
Title and leader: Outacite Ostenaco
Best/shunned government: Despotism and Facist (Monarchy)
Agression: 03 (moderate)
Cultural group: American.
Noun: Cherokee
Adjective: Cherokee
Colors: ???
UU: Brave
Civilopedia entry: RACE_CHEROKEE

Cities:
Tugaloo
Keetoowah
Ustanali
Tellico
Chota
Kiowe
Chickamauga
Oconee
Echota
Chattanooga
Tennessee
Cowee
Ocanaluftee
Tahlequah
New Echota
Qualatchee
Kulsetsiyi
Estatoee
Toxaway
Anisgayayi
Tomassee
Ellijay
Itseyi
Watauga
Tawsee
Dustavalunyi
Tallulah
Chatuga
Gusti
Chilhowee
Guhlaniyi
Naguchee
Canuga
Kansaki
Seneca
Tasetsi
Saguahi
Coweeshee
Sitiku
Toquo
Cheesoheha
Niowe
Quinahaqui
Setsi
Taskigi
Sitico
Dahlonega
Qualla
Hillabi
Sillisaw

Military leaders:
Attakullaculla
Oconstota
Yonaguska
Tahchee
Tuhchee
Tsiyu-gunsini
John Lowrey
John Ross
Stand Waite

Scientific ones:
Sequoyah
Inali
Elias Boudinot
Robert Ward

Brave, the UU:
replaces swordsman - 3-2-2 - 30 shields - (ignore forest pentalty)

Navaho

Civilization: Navaho
Bonuses: Commercial and Religious
Title and leader: Chief Hastin Ch'ilhajinii
Best/shunned government: Despotism and Monarchy
Agression: 02 (low)
Cultural group: American.
Noun: Navaho
Adjective: Navaho
Colors:
UU: Mounted Clubman
Civilopedia entry: RACE_NAVAHO

Cities:
Ta chee
Sis na' jin
Tse nee tat
Ash chee
Tqo toda sihee
Dzil na'odili
Tse dzinki'ni
Haskendine
Tqo dzil
Tse'tlani
Nat ege saka'te
Tsa ya hat tso
Carrizos
Tqo hee tle
Zuni
Tohatchi
Mancos
Tsa ha gaye
Tse'hoghan
To'waya'lane
Taaitalone
Chol'i'i
Tqo bit'cloch
Tse'the neesa'en
To dotsos
Tqo yah ha'tline

Military leaders:
Na'yei na'zone
Nai'dikisi
Tqo bajishchini
Bad'ni
Tqo toko je

Scientific ones:
Yol'gai esdzan
Hasjejine
Ba'ches chini
Hasjelti
Hasjohon

Mounted Clubman, the UU:
replaces horseman - 2-1-2 - 20 shields

Sioux

Civilization: Sioux
Bonuses: Expansionist and Militaristic
Title and leader: Chief Sitting Bull
Best/shunned government: Despotism and Feudalism (Monarchy)
Agression: 04
Cultural group: American.
Noun: Sioux
Adjective: Sioux
Colors:
UU: Sunka Wakan
Civilopedia entry: RACE_SIOUX


Cities:
Little Bighorn
Wounded Knee
Cedar Creek
Stony Lake
Bear Paw
Point of Rocks
Buffalo
Wood Lake
Raging Brook
Big Mound
Running Bear
Silver Moon
Wildcat Valley
Three Forks
Great River
Seven Brothers
Red Cloud
Snake Canyon
First Wind
Yellowtree
Morning Rock
Killdeer
Slim Buttes
Muddy Water
Elk River
Ghost Island
Cockleburr Falls
Rosebud Creek
Spirit Lake
Hole In The Wall
Powder River
Stone Made Peak
Greasy Grass River
Medicine Wheel Mt
Chief's Crag

Military leaders:
Red Cloud
Gall
Rain In The Face
Little Crow
Two Strike
Spotted Elk
Iron Shield
Little Wound

Scientific ones:
Guyasuta
Old Smoke
Five Feathers
Running water
Bear Stalker

Sunka Wakan, the UU:
replaces knight - 4-2-2 - 60 shields

 

[bombshoo]

They are good, but their skin is waay too dark..not be racist Native Americans were called the "red men" for a reason.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The Cherokee one looks alittle...round

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Sitting Bull doesn't really look like Sitting Bull at all, meu amigo.

 

[Mobilize]

Um.. Ostenaco looks about right, except his mohawk needs to be somewhat thicker. Tatanka Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) looks nothing like he did.. the Navaho leader looks alright, perhaps lightening his skin wood be better. I don't think they were that dark.

Your leader list for the Sioux is completely inaccurate. Most of those people were chiefs or important figures of other tribes. Here is a better one.

Military Leaders:
Red Cloud
Gall
Rain In The Face
Little Crow
Two Strike
Spotted Elk
Iron Shield
Little Wound

You can keep those for Scientific leaders.

As for the Navaho's leader.. perhaps Manuelito (Hastin Ch'ilhajinii)

Scroll down on this website to find a picture and history on Manuelito.

http://www.axel-jacob.de/chiefs9.html

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Mobilize, what about Crazy Horse?

 

[Mobilize]

Also, you should extend the Cherokee military list to:

Moytoy
Attakullaculla
Oconstota
Yonaguska
Tahchee
Tuhchee
Tsiyu-gunsini
John Lowrey
John Ross
Stand Waite

Also, the Cherokee leader, Ostenaco, would best be wearing a turban much like Sequoyah's in the Indsutrial and Modern era. Look at the website I gave you for a picture of Sequoyah.. he's in there somewhere.

 

[Mobilize]

Um.. Crazy Horse was a Lakota (Sioux) although he didn't really align himself and instead was more of a rogue. Yeah I guess you could include him.

Oh yes and after observing some more.. how come the Cherokee's and Navaho's aggression level is 03 while the Sioux's is 02. I would make the Navaho 02, Cherokee 03, and Sioux 04.

Unique Units:

Cherokee: Brave - replaces swordsman - 3-2-2 - 30 shields - (ignore forest pentalty)

Navaho: Mounted Clubman - replaces horseman - 2-1-2 - 20 shields

Sioux: Sunka Wakan - replaces knight - 4-2-2 - 60 shields

 

[Dom Pedro II]

He served under Red Cloud though, did he not?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

He must have been a very important person as theres a ongoing project to make a giant statue/monument of him in the Southwestern United States...

 

[Dom Pedro II]

He was one of the people responsible for Custer's Last Stand. And he also killed a lot of U.S. soldiers in the Fetterman Massacre near Fort Phil Kearny.

And then he also laid down his arms and agreed to fight no more.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

That was the evil, mean America of the 19th century for you...I guess all countrys have past deeds they are not proud of in their histories..

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Most assuredly. Even the native American tribes...

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I know what you mean. There were some Iroquois who delighted in torturing people to death for example.

 

[Mobilize]

I would be delighted to torture anybody of a race which gave my people a virus which wiped out 95% of our population and then continue with the genocide until rounding us up into reservation camps 1,000s of miles from our ancestral lands and then even go farther and try to tax our casinos which are in our sovereign territory which the government promised not to tax. But, I'm not like that. That would be hypocrasy and I'm totally against violence, racism, etc. Plus, most of my friends are white.

Woot!

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Well, as the old maxim says....to wrongs don't make a right...

and the Government wants to tax everyone to death....thats what happens when you have Quasi-Socialists in power.

Plus you should have nothing against me Mobilize...my only ancestors on this continent at the time were in fact Native Americans. My European Ancestors were in mostly Poland or Italy(and a few in Ireland), and nether of those countries were responsible for the First Holocaust of the 19th century.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Two wrongs most certainly do not make a right. Killing someone because of their race is wrong even if the other race has committed atrocities. Killing women and children, wiping out whole settlements... the kind of barbarism is not justified. Especially considering the fact that even as the plague was sweeping across the continent and the whites were encroaching further and further onto sacred land, many natives were willing to cooperate with them... and for what? To gain an edge over neighboring native tribes. Indeed, they were killing and raping each other long before whites ever set foot on American soil.

Indeed, had it been the New World occupants who had the guns, the disease, and the boats, they would surely have done the same thing to the Europeans. The Mediterrenean today would be speaking Seneca and other Iroquois languages. The Sioux, like the Mongol, might have built a land empire of blood from horseback.

They are no better... no worse... How can anyone be worse? I think man has proven pretty conclusively that he cannot govern himself... that there will always be those who shall be crushed beneath the gears of "progress" for the haves. And so long as there is no better, moral being to step in, to guide us, to direct us... I think this ill-begotten species ought to be put out of its misery.

 

[CivArmy s. 1994]

Thanks for the suggestion folks!!! In the first post there is news about the arts, Sitting Bull is not like I wish, but I'll continue working its art You see some bakcgrounds too, remember these arts are not the final ones, they need stuffs as the clothes and weapons. The texts were upgrated too.

@ SoG, Mobilize, DPII: don't be guilt for that our ancestors did, you folks were not there, if they did mistakes, learn with them mistakes and do not do them in the future

@ DPII: are you Brazilian or are you not??? I never saw you before in Civ 3 Brasil forum.

I hope more tips, thank you all!

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I joined very briefly but never really posted there. My Portuguese is not really that good.