NC CLXXVI Hannibal

[jvdl]

People who don't think Numidians are good don't know what they're talking about.

On Immortal they allowed me to take the entire continent, taking techs for peace over and over until 600+AD facing mostly metal units

Point taken.

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Went for a Numididian stampede ~300AD and took two of Mehmed's cities and crushed a metal stack with ease in two turns. But then he whipped elepults and that was the end of that short war. Mehmed had construction in the early BC's (before he got Alpha!). His elepults where roaming around my borders at 125BC already.

But granted, it's my poor skills more than the UU that's the problem.

 

[yyeah]

Deity 1695AD - Finally.

Spoiler :

Good luck to everyone who wants to take them out only with Cuirs on deity

tech race.

Got GM and GE if i manage to found corps i can nuke them or try space i think i go for more fun stuff .

1800AD

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Allmoust there

Darius found SE, but hes dumb and instand going for space he went for some culture some space.
He could probably lunch around 1850 i dont think that i could manage to take him out befor then, but he puts culture slider for some reason witch gave me a lot of time. I have like 50T to lunch invasion on him this should be enough.

 

[Gumbolt]

Brief update 1140ad.

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Taken a while to reach MT here. Still 2 turns off. My continent is now AI free. Grabbed the Ottoman's final 3 cities. I have 20 galleons all lined up in a galleon chain. So once I start whipping cuirs I should get 20-40 pretty quickly with 20 cities.

The other continent has Vikings with 2 vassels. Plus a backwards Mongols now at war with the Vikings and his 2 vassels. I am currently pleased with the vikings. Albeit his power rating is huge compared to mine. He must have a big stack somewhere. That being said my defences are only really 1 unit a city in most places.

I am 1 turn off TM wonder. I took nationalism with Lib.

 

[Gumbolt]

Not quite as planned. Any advice???

1230ad.

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So I secured my own continent. The big issue now is Ragnar has done the same. 3 vassels and an entire continent. I have just found his 60-70 strong stack.
17 Beserkers, 15 knights, 12 WE, 5HA, 5 XB, 1 spear, 8 pults and 3 chariots.
This could be fun. Were level pegging land wise but he has 50% of the world pop. Albeit I have whipped mine away since.

I have 47 cuirs spread across the map of which 32 are in Hammy's land. I have not passed his military of 1.2M on demo. I may need a huge stack here. So my final war will be delayed here.

This will be one fun final battle. Would 50 cuirs be enough? Hmmmm. I am thinking 60 to be sure.

 

[MegaLurker]

@gumbolt

Your cuir numbers are already sufficient to wipe out that stack, probably in a single turn. My advice would be to do it as soon as logistically possible. Even if it leaves you unable to immediately start taking cities that much war success will probably allow you to make peace (maybe even extort some gold or techs for it) while you move in reinforcements. If your cities are already whipped down I say keep whipping and roll over the map with cuirs all the way. Whipping size 4 down to size 2 is most efficient anyway. Stack that anger, the game will be won before it matters.

 

[Gumbolt]

@megalurker

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I doubt 32 cuirs would do the job. Phants have pretty good odds vs cuirs. Nearly 30 mounted units in his stack. As long as I am able to attack his stack I could weaken it. I would lose at least 6-7 cuirs attacking stack. Then lose 10-15 from his beserkers. Most of my stack would die. Sure I would destroy his catapults.

I will sleep on this. I would be happy with 10 or more cuirs first.

 

[yyeah]

@Gumbolt

Spoiler :

Are you far away from Rifling ?
Can you have GM?

1872AD

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i can cheese UN but ... that would be a shame i supose...

yea ... better die with dignity.
Iam paying fro this delay on Astro.

 

[Gumbolt]

1260ad.

Spoiler :

I have about 50 units on his continent now. Feel ready to dow. If I can meet his stack in the open I have a chance to take most of it out.

1300ad

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When I close borders unfortunately my stack got split. I had 10-11 cuirs down south of Ragnar. Which has worked out okay as his main stack has not really moved. (Only once towards my mini stack which has taken and razed one of his smaller cities then it returned to Sippar.

I razed 2 mongolians cities including their capital. Bye bye mids.

I have captured the Babylonian capital. GLH seemed worth keeping. Might backfire if my main stack does not get there in time.

Built ND wonder in carthage. Seemed useful for happines. Used a GE for this. Seemed a slight waste of a GE but happiness could be important later.

Game has just crashed on me but I hadn't really done much more beyond 1-2 whips. Ragnar will take a ceasefire now. So should be pretty safe here.

 

[DrCron]

Lost the game in 1915, when Darius beat me to the Space race. Would list the mistakes I made but the post would be too long. I'm in a very annoying skill level in which Emperor is too easy and Immortal is way too hard. I think I'll take a break from this game. Maybe go back to some easy Deity victories in Civ V, or something like that.

 

[Gumbolt]

Lost the game in 1915, when Darius beat me to the Space race. Would list the mistakes I made but the post would be too long. I'm in a very annoying skill level in which Emperor is too easy and Immortal is way too hard. I think I'll take a break from this game. Maybe go back to some easy Deity victories in Civ V, or something like that.

Spoiler :

Well I would try again. The game is quite winnable. If it's taking you to 1915ad something is going wrong early on. More focus and more micro will help. Getting tech order at start is important too. What wonders do you need?? What strengths does your start have?? Do you need to take out a nearby Ai for land early on??

I would be using spoilers.

 

[cseanny]

I'm in a very annoying skill level in which Emperor is too easy and Immortal is way too hard.

Keep sloshing away!! There's tons and tons of info on this site to help you get where you want to be. In a few months you'll be absolutely laughing at how easy Immortal is and cursing that the jump to Deity seems 8X as hard as Immortal .

 

[MegaLurker]

Point taken.

Spoiler :

Went for a Numididian stampede ~300AD and took two of Mehmed's cities and crushed a metal stack with ease in two turns. But then he whipped elepults and that was the end of that short war. Mehmed had construction in the early BC's (before he got Alpha!). His elepults where roaming around my borders at 125BC already.

But granted, it's my poor skills more than the UU that's the problem.

300AD is super late to start an HA rush. My own continued well past 600AD but I had started around 1000BC, which is a good date to aim for as a general rule. If your target gets HBR + construction you need to find and pillage his elephants immediately. I did end up facing a couple elephants as well, even regular HAs are a problem with Numidians because of the lower base strength (though promoting to Flanking II means you can reliably "suicide" them out in the open and they won't actually die).

Numidians create a unique situation where you avoid pillaging the AI's metal, but definitely need to control their access to horses and later elephants.

 

[Gumbolt]

1340ad update.

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Unfortunately my southern stack of 11 units died a heroic death. A lot of viking units wondering about. Although it took out many units and razed that one city. 5-6 died trying to reach my main stack. They bumped into the main viking stack. Ooops.

I gave up Babylon. I razed a city north of it so I could merge up all my units and waited for the Viking stack to take Babylon. The vikings took the bait and captured Babylon. They had 14 or so units left outside the city.

Overall I had about 60-70 units and I won 52 of the 60 attacks. His power compared to mine is now 1.7. I retook Babylon and filled it again with units arriving by sea. Plus other units I had moved to ships for safety.

Following turn he attacked Babylon with 6-7 units which mostly died. I then wiped out most of the 6-7 units nearby. Overall viking threat is gone. Phew. 4 turns to heal main stack. Could take a ceasefire.

 

[VJ.]

Lost in 1510 after Ottomans & Ethiopians jointly declared war on me out of nowhere. I'm guessing it was partly because a bunch of their cities were already close to flipping. Damn rampaging war elephants. I need to learn better defensive military tactics.

 

[InovA]

@ VJ.

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Though I can't see your tech path, military choices, WWs, or anything the like, I could see you had better, more established cities than both of these civs earlier on. I would expect that there were a few opportunities for you to use a military tech advantage on both of them and wipe at least one of them out as early as the 500 BC - 200 AD range. (Also look at how Gumbolt played his, axe rushing the Ottomans, crippling them for the rest of the game.)

However if pre-renaissance military isn't your style it is important to keep good relations with at least 1 nearby civ. They won't declare war on you if they're friendly and will often join a war with you (for a price.)

Some good ways to increase diplomacy would be to adopt their religion, give in to demands (if they demand a tech and you want them as your ally, I say give it always!), gift them unnecessary resources (That 2nd pig tile does you no good, 1st sheep and cow also unnecessary early on with the +Health boost.), and having a mutual military struggle at some point.

 

[Gumbolt]

Lost in 1510 after Ottomans & Ethiopians jointly declared war on me out of nowhere. I'm guessing it was partly because a bunch of their cities were already close to flipping. Damn rampaging war elephants. I need to learn better defensive military tactics.

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How can you lose to war elephants in 1510ad? By then you should of had mace and pikes? Or at least cuirs??? Looks like something went wrong with your game here.

Of those 2 leaders only Zara can plot war at pleased. Meaning the other was probably bribed into war?? Did you not see the red fist???

I agree with Inova that perhaps you should of been actively trying to take down both Ai on your land mass before 1300ad. If you want to win by domination this is a minimum target for immortal. Even if it just means 2 vassels.

Looking at your 500bc report. Losing lots of workers to barbs seems a bit strange. You had copper nearby. It was not difficult to fogbust this game with a few warriors/axes.

You missed out on the crabs fish city early on south of your capital. 1000bc your screen shot shows you are building Moai Statues?? Terrible build for 1000bc. Adds nothing to your empire that early on. 23 turns??? Ackkk. I did build it but much later with double production too.

By 1000bc your third city should really of border popped. Are you whipping your cities much??? You have no spawn busters out in the fog?? On immortal it's better to have spawn busters instead of city guard. Unless the city is likely to be unhappy. By 1800bc barbs will be entering your borders if you don't spawn bust.

It's clear to me your issues on this game started very early on. If you only had 5-6 cities by this date you would of struggled. By 1000ad I had almost 20 cities.

Try again. Be more aggressive and focus more. Oracle should of been easy here. Even Great Lighthouse is possible. Ivory was somewhat close too.

 

[Gumbolt]

Will be testing Elite's 3x power theory soon here where vassels are concerned. Should be interesting. Currently 2.7 to most powerful AI. Much higher to his vassels.

 

[Gumbolt]

Conquest win 1490ad. Score 199744. My micro on final 2-3 turns really slipped as game was pretty much won.

So proof that Ai with vassels really do cap or lose their vassels. Hmmm.

Thanks for posting a fun game.

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Power rating now 4x ragnar and he has lost over half his cities. His vassels all break free. I cap Persia and Ragnar with his 5 cities follows.

The Mongols still seem to want to fight. They do have 8 cities. He had pike and his UU mixed with mace. 2 cities fell and he capitulated. Did he really think he stood a chance.

 

[Gator Country]

Up to 1490ad. Conquest win. Score 199744. My micro on final 2-3 turns really slipped as game was pretty much won.

So proof that Ai with vassels really do cap or lose their vassels. Hmmm.

Thanks for posting a fun game.

Spoiler :

Power rating now 4x ragnar and he has lost over half his cities. His vassels all break free. I cap Persia and Ragnar with his 5 cities follows.

The Mongols still seem to want to fight. They do have 8 cities. He had pike and his UU mixed with mace. 2 cities fell and he capitulated. Did he really think he stood a chance.

I really enjoyed reading about your progress. Congrats on a nice victory!

 

[Gumbolt]

Glad you enjoyed the updates. I really should use more pictures. Least my saves show how the game was going.