Need Help Building PC

allunderheaven

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I am planning on building a new PC over the summer. I have never built a computer before, but am fairly confident that I'll figure it out. I just wanted some advice on what parts to choose.

I'm gonna use this PC to play games, browse the web, and do some photo editing.
Of course, I'll also play Civ V on this!

So far this is what I'm thinking of:

Intel Core i3 530

Asus P7H55-M

4 GB DDR3 RAM

Seasonic 400W PSU

Any suggestions for graphics card?

I can spend up to $850 CDN.

Is anything out of place, can you give any recommendations?

Thanks!
 
You should first go and look up some recent threads on building a computer. There have been plenty within the last several months.
 
The ATI 5750 should slot into your price level pretty nicely, and is a top pick in it's price range. You could save a bit by going with a 4xxxx series card, but you'd lose the DX11 compatibility you may want for future games (depending on how long you plan to keep the current rig).

You could start with a bundle like this and add parts (HDD, DVD/Blu-Ray, GPU)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6327553&CatId=5205

For something you'll be plugging a dedicated GPU into I'd recommend looking at the i5 or an AMD alternative.
 
-I forgot to mention - it may be worth waiting for Nvidia to release more Fermi based cards. Not only will it fill out their line up with lower priced DX11 cards, but it will put pressure on ATIs 5xxx series too. .. some people are already saying that ATI may release 6xxx seires cards before that happens, but that's still good news because it will have the same effect on prices.

The GPU field has been pretty quiet, so both camps should have some news soon.
 
Thanks for the advice on the graphics card. I have never used an ATI card before, how do they stack up against Nvidia cards? (value wise)

Also, I was looking into the processor. I think I can afford an i5 but I also noticed while reading through some older threads, that a lot of people are recommending AMD. My friend once told me that AMD processors overheat more easily and don't last as long as Intel CPU's. What's your take on that?

I was thinking of the AMD Athlon II X4 635 vs. the Intel i5 661. The Athlon is definitely attractively priced. Which would you recommend?

As for the peripherals, I'm just gonna use my old monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.
 
At the moment, they are a better value than nVidia cards.

As for overheating: if you use a proper cooler, there is no overheating. If you use a cooler that cannot provide adequate cooling capacity for your processor though, it will not matter, both intel and AMD will fry.
 
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
MSI 870A-G54 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0
OCZ AMD Black Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W

479.96 CAD after Combo (1 2) discounts
Before 55 USD Mail-In-Rebate.


As for a videocard, the new GF104/460GTX is just around the corner. Rumors say it will cost about $230 and perform just a littlebit worse than the $260+ 465GTX. Even if $230-ish is more than you'd like to spend the GF104/460GTX will probably quickly be followed by less expensive models and put pressure on ATI to lower prices and/or release their HD5XXX refresh earlier. So waiting a littlebit will probably give you considerably more choice and price/performance.

Right now a Radeon HD 5750 1GB for under $120 is hard to beat
A Radeon HD 5670 for under $80 would also be pretty decent, especially if you dont play graphically demanding games.

Best bang for Buck right now is the $60 ECS NR9800GTE-512QX-F GeForce 9800 GT, same performance as the HD5750 for half the price. Especially good if you want something good but affordable and then upgrade to the 32nm gen GPU's coming in 6-8 months.
 
With regards to the actual building process itself, I have done so before and I thought I could handle it.

I could with the exception of the heat-sync and CPU, i was really nervous and unfamiliar with the precision it took. I would read up on it.

There are a handful of books at bookstores for 10-15 bucks a piece with step by step processes and even what individual components do (knowing what the component does is almost more important than "how do I stick this in my Mobo")
 
Ok I must ask why a core i3, a phenom X4 or Athlon X4 would be a much better buy for the money. as for video cards Id look at used or referbished cards you can get 4890's or GTX275 cheaply these days used, or look at at least a 5770, the 5750 is to close in price to warrant its purchase right now
 
If you are willing to do a bit of overclocking, a i3 can get you the performance of an i5 for less money. They are also at the best price/performance point. If that is your main criterion, then they are the CPU's you should look at. If you want fast, and care less about price, the higher end i5's or the i7's are what you should be looking at.

For video cards, Id go with a HD5770. It sucks less power, you can get one new (warranty is a really good idea for a video card) and is faster. It is considered to be the best price/performance card right now.
 
If you are willing to do a bit of overclocking, a i3 can get you the performance of an i5 for less money. They are also at the best price/performance point. If that is your main criterion, then they are the CPU's you should look at. If you want fast, and care less about price, the higher end i5's or the i7's are what you should be looking at.

For video cards, Id go with a HD5770. It sucks less power, you can get one new (warranty is a really good idea for a video card) and is faster. It is considered to be the best price/performance card right now.

umm core i3 is a very bad buy for gaming actully. Its a dual core solotioun and hyperthreading isnt a true quad core, never will be. As more and more games take advantage of 3 or more cores which is happening the Athlon X4 even beats the Core i3. The Core i5's only notable chip is the i5 750 and even then its the same price as a Phenom X6 which regurally beats the Core i7 965.
 
Ditch the DDR3 and get 8GB of DDR2, it will/should be cheaper and the difference in performance between DDR3 and DDR2 is negligible, especially with 4GB extra RAM

Also AMD Athlon processors all the way :king:

As for graphics cards, I'm no expert but for ~$60USD you can get the ATI Radeon 5450 HD card, which has 512mb of dedicated video memory. It's what I have, and it's good bang for your buck.
 
8gb of ram is worthless 4gb of DDR3 is also smarter, and if he is set on going modern DDR3 is the only way. All new intel CPU's require DDR3 while the best AMD chipset combos also require DDR3. Find me an 890FX board with DDR2 lmao.
 
umm core i3 is a very bad buy for gaming actully. Its a dual core solotioun and hyperthreading isnt a true quad core, never will be. As more and more games take advantage of 3 or more cores which is happening the Athlon X4 even beats the Core i3. The Core i5's only notable chip is the i5 750 and even then its the same price as a Phenom X6 which regurally beats the Core i7 965.

1. Few games use more than 2 cores. Ive seen Dual Cores beat out my Quad in games. An overclocked Dual Core is of more use than a slower quad core for most people. You say games are beginning to take advantage of quad cores, but look at what happened with dual cores. It took years to get them to use even 2 cores, and it's going to be the game for this iteration too. For the next 2 years at least, a Dual Core will still be better than a quad for gaming (at the same price level)

2. In most applications, even a i7930 will beat the X6 like there's no tomorrow. If you use applications that can take advantage of 6 cores, then it will likely be faster than a similarly priced i7, simply because it has more cores. Clock for clock though, its much slower. The X6 is a K10 part which is almost 3 years old now. It was also never very competitive with the Penryn series of architectures from intel. When it came to the Nehalem the K10 is hopelessly outgunned. The only thing AMD can do from here is bump up the number of cores while they develop a new architecture.

3. Phenom II X4 beats the i3's for the most part yes, but the i3's werent meant to compete with the X4 parts. Even then, the i3's have a lower price point than the Phenoms do, and they are very competitive at the clock-for-clock level.

4. If you buy a modern cpu, and you are not completely computer illiterate, you should try overclocking it, even if just a little bit. Many of intels parts can get to much higher clock speeds (4.6gHz isnt outrageous) which is where they truly shine. At these speeds they seriously outpace even overclocked AMD parts.

I do agree with your assessment of RAM. You will need DDR3 either way with a modern CPU/mobo and their prices are fairly comparable now due to the rise in demand for DDR3.
From someone that has 8GB of RAM, unless you do a lot of audio/video/graphical work, you will be quite fine with 4GB. Take the money you saved and instead get a 40-60GB SSD, it will give you a much better boost in performance.
 
Core i3 competes directly with Athlon X4 lol which also outpaces it, it also fights with Phenom X4 925 which also is faster. Unlike the move to dual core, from there to 4 isnt as hard its a simple matter of adding more threads instead of splitting it the first time. Sevral games today already take advantage of 3 cores and this trend will only continue into the future. Best bang for buck chips today are Athlon II X3 445 and AThlon II X4 640 both are under 100 dollars while at 129 right where the lowend Core I3 sits is Phenom X4 925 which is also a better buy. Core I3 is only good for the non gaming types, because of its ondie GPU means you dont have to buy a seperate GPU, and it makes the board cost cheaper to purchase thats it lol.
 
The i3 is meant to compete with Phenom X2's and X3's, not Athlons. Intel has the Pentium Dual Core line for the Athlons.

Clock for clock, the Nehalem architecture is much faster. If you dont agree with that, go read up on recent CPU architectures and their relative performances.

The X3 and X4 are also not the best bang for the buck. They are abysmal at single and dual-core applications, and good at only very specific 3+ threaded applications. Their lack of L3 cache really hurts them when you let the OS manage threading.

As for gaming, I will repeat: very few games use more than 2 threads. In some cases, it is because there is no need for more threads, in others it is because the developer has chosen to not spend time on it and etc. Quad cores are not a great deal for gaming right now, plain and simple. The trend for more threads may continue (in fact, it will continue) but for the forseeable future, most games will benefit more from a faster dual core.

Last of all, I pointed out that the i3 and i5 parts are very overclockable which is where their real power lies. An i3 can hit 4gHz pretty easily, and a i5 750 which is one of the best bang-for-buck CPU's around can hit 4.5gHz in most cases. AMD has no answer to this in most usage scenarios.

Were I buying a new system today:
For a fast gaming CPU: i5 750 or maybe even the i7 930 if I had the money.
Lower-end gaming: i3 530
General multitasking with gaming: Phenom II X4
Lower end multitasking with little gaming: Athlon II X3/X4

PS: Using 'lol' in a post, especially in the middle of one makes you sound so goddamned stupid.
 
Thats nice that you would assume so, but unlike you I also am a tech in the industry and its my job to sell parts and match parts. If the Athlon and PHenom parts are such a bad buy please explain to me why there a recomended buy. Also no one unless they know what they are doing will be overclocking, so overclocking doesnt matter to 99% of the market. You seem to think everyone will overclock, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news they dont. What you come across is someone that gets there information only online from tomshardware and decides thats all that matters and in turn give bad advice. Because right now stock vs stock Athlon II beats Core I3 and Phenom II beats Core I5.
 
OK, I switched a lot of parts:

Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 $100 (with MIR)

Athlon II x4 635 $110

Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3 $107

Windows 7 Home Premium OEM $100

OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W PSU $85 ( with MIR)

G SKILL DDR3-1333 RAM 2x2GB $100

Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD $60

Samsung DVD Drive $20

Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Case $50


ALL prices are from NCIX.com
 
Thats nice that you would assume so, but unlike you I also am a tech in the industry and its my job to sell parts and match parts. If the Athlon and PHenom parts are such a bad buy please explain to me why there a recomended buy. Also no one unless they know what they are doing will be overclocking, so overclocking doesnt matter to 99% of the market. You seem to think everyone will overclock, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news they dont. What you come across is someone that gets there information only online from tomshardware and decides thats all that matters and in turn give bad advice. Because right now stock vs stock Athlon II beats Core I3 and Phenom II beats Core I5.

I get my information from experience, helping people build systems and seeing their performance numbers. Toms Hardware? Please, don't insult me.
 
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