Correction of the bug that crashed the editor when using graphical mod for the modern era in the tech tree builder
Need testers for new editor
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CivAgamemnon
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I noticed tonight last night that Gramphos's BIQ documentation doesn't actually specify that there is a limit of seven flavors. So I decided to see what happened with more than seven flavors, just on the off chance that it would work. There's no option to add flavors in the regular editor, your editor, or even the cracked editor, so I didn't expect much. But, after adding an eighth flavor through hex editing, the regular editor loaded up the file with no complaints, and showed all eight flavors in the flavor, building, and technology tabs. Civ3 Conquests itself also loaded up the scenario just fine, with no apparent ill effects in the first turn. So my early testing is showing that having more than seven flavors is, at worst, not causing any harm. At best, the game is actually taking advantage of having all those flavors, although it would take a lot more testing to be reasonably sure of that.
So I was wondering if you'd experimented at all with adding flavors when building your editor. It loads up the eight-flavor file just fine, saves modifications I make properly, and shows all eight flavors in the selector list of the FLAV tab, but only shows the first seven flavors everywhere else that flavors appear (including flavor-flavor relations). The regular editor had a similar problem of only displaying seven flavors on the civilization tab, where it uses check boxes for flavors - everywhere else it uses lists and it properly displays all eight flavors. It does seem to properly modify all eight flavors where you can see all of them (tech, bldg, and flav tabs).
I also tried a 6-flavor hex-edited BIQ. It loaded up fine in the regular editor (showing 6 flavors everywhere except the Civilizations tab, where it showed a second "Flavor 7"), and seems to work fine in Civ3. However, it brought up an error when I tried to load it in your editor:
I clicked Continue, and it did correctly load and seemed to be working. However, whenever I selected a flavor/building/civilization/technology (anything that had flavor variables) I got a similar (identical?) error about an index being out of range. The good news is only six check boxes ever appeared for flavors. The bad news is that it only seemed to be working. A test change, changing the cost of the Colosseum, was not reflected when I loaded the .biq up in Civ3ConquestsEdit. Such a change Civ3ConquestsEdit was properly reflected when I loaded the .biq up again.
See the attachment for the BIQ's with 8 and 6 flavors. I don't know how interested you are in adding more/less than 7 flavor functionality - I'm not planning to use it anytime soon even if it does work perfectly, so I'm not in any hurry to see it - but I figured someone might be interested in it, and the ability to easily add/remove flavors won't be showing up in the regular editor anytime soon.
So I was wondering if you'd experimented at all with adding flavors when building your editor. It loads up the eight-flavor file just fine, saves modifications I make properly, and shows all eight flavors in the selector list of the FLAV tab, but only shows the first seven flavors everywhere else that flavors appear (including flavor-flavor relations). The regular editor had a similar problem of only displaying seven flavors on the civilization tab, where it uses check boxes for flavors - everywhere else it uses lists and it properly displays all eight flavors. It does seem to properly modify all eight flavors where you can see all of them (tech, bldg, and flav tabs).
I also tried a 6-flavor hex-edited BIQ. It loaded up fine in the regular editor (showing 6 flavors everywhere except the Civilizations tab, where it showed a second "Flavor 7"), and seems to work fine in Civ3. However, it brought up an error when I tried to load it in your editor:
Spoiler Error Message :
I clicked Continue, and it did correctly load and seemed to be working. However, whenever I selected a flavor/building/civilization/technology (anything that had flavor variables) I got a similar (identical?) error about an index being out of range. The good news is only six check boxes ever appeared for flavors. The bad news is that it only seemed to be working. A test change, changing the cost of the Colosseum, was not reflected when I loaded the .biq up in Civ3ConquestsEdit. Such a change Civ3ConquestsEdit was properly reflected when I loaded the .biq up again.
See the attachment for the BIQ's with 8 and 6 flavors. I don't know how interested you are in adding more/less than 7 flavor functionality - I'm not planning to use it anytime soon even if it does work perfectly, so I'm not in any hurry to see it - but I figured someone might be interested in it, and the ability to easily add/remove flavors won't be showing up in the regular editor anytime soon.
I did not try specifically with flavour.
I tried adding more experience levels, more eras, but it didn't work.
I tried adding more experience levels, more eras, but it didn't work.
Lee_Dailey
Chief Geek & Bottle Washer
howdy Steph,
seefc3 version = 0.7.2
dunno if i've found an error or if i just don't understand what is _supposed_ to be happening. [*grin*] anyway, here's what i'm doing ...
- open uncompressed BIQ
- go to BLDG tab
- select "iron works"
- rt-clk and select "add copies of selected buildings"
- set the following options ...
--- copies = 2
--- naming = add suffix
--- civilopedia = keep original
--- order = group by selected
- hit "ok"
it generates the two buildings with 00 and 01 suffixed to the building name [as expected].
when i select one of the new buildings, tho, the "civilopedia entry" shows "BLDG_" instead of the _expected "BLDG_Great_Ironworks".
so, what did i do wrong? or did i misunderstand the meaning of "keep original" in this context?
take care,
lee
seefc3 version = 0.7.2
dunno if i've found an error or if i just don't understand what is _supposed_ to be happening. [*grin*] anyway, here's what i'm doing ...
- open uncompressed BIQ
- go to BLDG tab
- select "iron works"
- rt-clk and select "add copies of selected buildings"
- set the following options ...
--- copies = 2
--- naming = add suffix
--- civilopedia = keep original
--- order = group by selected
- hit "ok"
it generates the two buildings with 00 and 01 suffixed to the building name [as expected].
when i select one of the new buildings, tho, the "civilopedia entry" shows "BLDG_" instead of the _expected "BLDG_Great_Ironworks".
so, what did i do wrong? or did i misunderstand the meaning of "keep original" in this context?
take care,
lee
That's a bug
Lee_Dailey
Chief Geek & Bottle Washer
howdy Steph,
oooo! lee found a bug! wheeee! [*grin*]
thanks for the response. now that i know what's going on, i can work around it easily enuf until you get time to do the bugfix.
take care,
lee
The bug has been fixed 5 minutes after I read your post.
But I'll include the correction next time I add something to the editor, it's relatively minor.
But I'll include the correction next time I add something to the editor, it's relatively minor.
Lee_Dailey
Chief Geek & Bottle Washer
/lee awaits new version with moderate patience [*grin*]
The Guardian
Praetorian
Great work Steph. I really like this editor. Are you going to do more with the tech editor? There was one done by esc27 called techSorter ver 1.0 ( using VB5 ) that was pretty good but would only handle Bic files. Maybe you could take a look at it.
What more do you want in the tech editor?
Jagged1971
Chieftain
Hi! I'm sorry if this is a very basic or stupid question, and I did try to read through as much of this thread as I could, (Great work btw...!) but I don't know anything about how this forum is laid out and it is pretty big actually.
I have no idea what to do about this compression of biq file and how to make them load into the editor. I found this through the mod wiki, and there isn't any kind of basic readme that I could find for downloading or that is posted anywhere obvious. I know this information is here somewhere I just can't figure out where. I'm sure you know what n00bs are good for by now, right?
Anyway, thanks in advance for any description of what to do or for linking me to an explanation!
And thanks again for this editor, I can do most of the modding already (at least enough for me) but I was having a little trouble with some of the advanced funtions that it looks like you've built into this baby! I appreciate that greatly!
I have no idea what to do about this compression of biq file and how to make them load into the editor. I found this through the mod wiki, and there isn't any kind of basic readme that I could find for downloading or that is posted anywhere obvious. I know this information is here somewhere I just can't figure out where. I'm sure you know what n00bs are good for by now, right?
Anyway, thanks in advance for any description of what to do or for linking me to an explanation!
And thanks again for this editor, I can do most of the modding already (at least enough for me) but I was having a little trouble with some of the advanced funtions that it looks like you've built into this baby! I appreciate that greatly!
Open your scenario / mod with the regular editor.
In the editor, use the View / Options menu. It opens a small window. There, be sure the "Compress bic file" option is NOT checked. Click on OK.
Save the scenario / mod.
You should notice the file size increases, as it is now uncompress.
You can open the scenario with my editor now.
In the editor, use the View / Options menu. It opens a small window. There, be sure the "Compress bic file" option is NOT checked. Click on OK.
Save the scenario / mod.
You should notice the file size increases, as it is now uncompress.
You can open the scenario with my editor now.
Lee_Dailey
Chief Geek & Bottle Washer
never mind! [*grin*] somehow steph's post #573 didn't show up ...
howdy Jagged1971,
lookee ...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8018967&postcount=13
found that with the search up on the right. hope that helps!
take care,
lee
howdy Jagged1971,
lookee ...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8018967&postcount=13
found that with the search up on the right. hope that helps!
take care,
lee
It correts the bug with the civpedia entry for copied buildings, and I have added a new feature that may be very useful for those who wants to auto produce units via improvement.
In the units page, add all the units you need.
Then, select then, right click, in the contextual menu select
"Add improvments to auto produce the selected units"
This will automatically add a new improvment in the building page for each selected unit, set up to autoproduce it.
The name of the building will be the same as the name of the unit, and all the other parameters have to be set manually, but at least you will not forget an improvment.
Useful if you have many units in your mod.
In the units page, add all the units you need.
Then, select then, right click, in the contextual menu select
"Add improvments to auto produce the selected units"
This will automatically add a new improvment in the building page for each selected unit, set up to autoproduce it.
The name of the building will be the same as the name of the unit, and all the other parameters have to be set manually, but at least you will not forget an improvment.
Useful if you have many units in your mod.
Lee_Dailey
Chief Geek & Bottle Washer
howdy Steph,
kool! thanks, dude, your work is much appreciated.
take care,
lee
kool! thanks, dude, your work is much appreciated.
take care,
lee
Jagged1971
Chieftain
Thank you for the quick replies!
Unfortunately I have two more questions.
The first is bad, I admit...
How do I recompress the file so I can see it again in the old editor? Or will the game play it uncompressed anyway?
Secondly, I had thought this would allow me to edit civolopedia entries as for now, I'm only ambitious enough to be replacing certain units and resources. However, I'm not finding that ability to edit civo. entries. Does the editor do that?
If not, is there a mod tool out there that does? I found all the text files in game, but none of them actually seem to contain the entries themselves, and so far the editors I've found only let you change pictures or things like that, no direct text editing.
Again, thanks in advance for any help offered, and thanks for the hard work in making this tool. It really does help! (and sorry if any of this is considered OT).
Unfortunately I have two more questions.
The first is bad, I admit...
How do I recompress the file so I can see it again in the old editor? Or will the game play it uncompressed anyway?
Secondly, I had thought this would allow me to edit civolopedia entries as for now, I'm only ambitious enough to be replacing certain units and resources. However, I'm not finding that ability to edit civo. entries. Does the editor do that?
If not, is there a mod tool out there that does? I found all the text files in game, but none of them actually seem to contain the entries themselves, and so far the editors I've found only let you change pictures or things like that, no direct text editing.
Again, thanks in advance for any help offered, and thanks for the hard work in making this tool. It really does help! (and sorry if any of this is considered OT).
You don't have to recompress them. Both the regular editor and the game can read uncompress files.Unfortunately I have two more questions.
The first is bad, I admit...
How do I recompress the file so I can see it again in the old editor? Or will the game play it uncompressed anyway?
I made CEC, an civpedia editor. You can download it from my website. But in fact, I think simply using the notepad is faster.Secondly, I had thought this would allow me to edit civolopedia entries as for now, I'm only ambitious enough to be replacing certain units and resources. However, I'm not finding that ability to edit civo. entries. Does the editor do that?
If not, is there a mod tool out there that does? I found all the text files in game, but none of them actually seem to contain the entries themselves, and so far the editors I've found only let you change pictures or things like that, no direct text editing.
Again, thanks in advance for any help offered, and thanks for the hard work in making this tool. It really does help! (and sorry if any of this is considered OT).
My editor can help with the icons, as it can detect if there is an error in the name of the files, or if an entry is missing.
CivAgamemnon
King
Steph, I've come across a little error:
After I click "OK", I'm able to use the editor without any problems. Is it possible to disable this warning or remove it entirely?
Several other people I know on another forum have mentioned they've encountered the same issue.
After I click "OK", I'm able to use the editor without any problems. Is it possible to disable this warning or remove it entirely?
Several other people I know on another forum have mentioned they've encountered the same issue.
Jagged1971
Chieftain
Ah...Thanks so much, I actually tried to get CEC from a different link than the one in your sig, but it hung forever and never connected. I think it was from somewhere on this site, and I think I found it from the modding wiki.
Umm...which file do I load into CEC? I haven't found a folder containing the Civolopedia...(sorry for being such a dunce)
Again, thanks so much for all this work!
I've modded a couple other games before, and it's really nice to be able to step right in and do what you want!
As for the regular editor, It wouldn't pull it up, I'll try again though, probably just something I missed or other.
Umm...which file do I load into CEC? I haven't found a folder containing the Civolopedia...(sorry for being such a dunce)
Again, thanks so much for all this work!
I've modded a couple other games before, and it's really nice to be able to step right in and do what you want!
As for the regular editor, It wouldn't pull it up, I'll try again though, probably just something I missed or other.
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