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Negotiations with TNT

Discussion in 'Team Doughnut' started by Robi D, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. Robi D

    Robi D Minister of (Dis)Order

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    Nicely done nobody, a very good response. I agree with daveshack, there is no need to rush and we need a fair amount of discussion as this is a big descition for us. Also it would be good to get one of the other teams on board if can work out an agreement to support us if they try to attack us again. I think we would have a better chance to convince KISS, since they said they would like to steal TNT's furs, and also the fact MIA lied about not having MM makes me suspicious of them. So come people of doughnutia, tell us your views
     
  2. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    I personally think that this war should not be ended lightly since we have an advatage at the moment and I believe we should explotit that.

    But if we do enter into a Peace Agreement I believe these should be included to what DaveShack has said:
    1. In addition to the workers that are given to us in any agreement, 5 workers still belonging to TNT should begin to remove the jungle, we get to dictate as to where they work and they can not be escorted. (Robi D could use please PM me, I need some help here.)
    2. We are allowed to station 2 MW in the Jungle Neutral Zone.
    3. Our warriors, I mean (1,1,1) units not soldiers in general, and non-combat units are not restricted to our Zone, theirs are.
    4. Our Navel units that do not carry units are allowed into their coast and sea territory.

    Explainations of these demands:
    1. Because Immortals can only move one per turn, it won’t help them but it helps us. But the most important reason is they will have to pay for the extra workers and they get them no particular benefits by clearing jungle.
    2. This way we make clear that any breach of the Peace will result in the forfeiture of those 5 workers (or as many as we can catch) and a quick reaction force. They won’t be able to take cities with just two of them but they can catch workers, pillage improvements, and to harass them.
    3. This way we can keep our eyes on them and can settle any where with a warrior protecting the settler and then ship in troops via the ocean.
    4. Self explanatory.

    I know that they will not acquiesce to all these demands, but any good bargaining secession begins with demanding more that we expect and thus as they whittle down our demands, they think they are doing good in the bargaining secession when in reality we are giving them freebies.

    I’ve color coded these demands to their importance:
    Blue --> Most important, must have
    Green --> Middling important
    Red --> Least important, give away first.

    I also support teaching the barbarians who to read and write for the price of all of their tech, half of their treasury and a modest per turn teacher's fee. ;)

    -the Wolf
     
  3. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    Nobody as you requested here is an edited copy of the proposed treaty, one question though: is the spelling of "Vizeer" intentional, it should be Vizier if you are trying for the Ottoman office? I ask because Donsig used the incorrect spelling too. Maybe we can teach them better spelling too. ;)

    One thing though:unless it was intended as an oblique bestiality insult, “mount your beasts” should probably be reworded.

    -the Wolf
     
  4. Zorn

    Zorn Prince

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    I see no reason for peace right now.
    The war went nicely, and our troops are superior. We have this advantage now, let`s not waste it. Their immos are good until late mediveal, our riders will be outdated sooner. So postponing the war cannot be in our interest.

    Besides, I don`t really care who wins as long as provolution loses. His self-righteous attitude really pissed me off.
     
  5. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Just to make sure my previous post isn't misunderstood...

    Peace may not be a good idea, we've made good progress and are poised to hurt them even more. I'm just saying if we decide to negotiate it should be from a position of strength.
     
  6. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    I also believe peace to be a bad idea right now. I do not believe TNT proposal to be sincere. I believe they might except it, but only until MIA is in a better position to help them or whatever devious that is being planed by them comes to fruition. I firmly believe that this is a ploy. I may be paranoid but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

    -the Wolf
     
  7. Nobody

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    I agree peace might not be right, but i have no problem making a treaty then not ratifying it.

    anyway they see we are in a position of atleast equal strengh if we cant make peace this will increase so its even better.

    Alpha Wolf the problem i have with your proposal is that it totally defys the idea of a neutral zone. this is more like a Occupation or a forced demilterised zone. TnT would never agree to it. Thanks for fixing my spelling ect, and as for the title i just took it from them i didnt even know what it meant.
     
  8. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    You're welcome for the corrections; I work part time for a book publishing company as a contributing editor, so it was nothing new. (Shameless ad, go HERE)

    I had never intended for it to be agreeable I was thinking of the Treaty of Versailles, when I came up with it. The only one I find important and must be kept is:
    That isn't occupation just slave labor since we can't have any troops in the jungle either. The others were just token point that you would let them negotiate out of.

    -the Wolf
     
  9. magnusmarcus

    magnusmarcus Prince

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    I second this point. (The part about provo losing)
     
  10. Nobody

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    Now we canno't allow our amotions to decide matters of state, also i don't think Provolution has been in control until lately (he was at start) maybe he went on a break, He also isnt that bad a guy just a little cocky sometimes.
     
  11. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Update : TNT has Currency and lacks writing, mysticism, philo, col.
     
  12. Nobody

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    Because the polls indicate we dont want Peace at the moment i will draft and send a message saying that we refuse their demand for Horseback Ridding and Writing.

    Please comment before i send it (sometime tomorrow)
     
  13. vikingruler

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    It sounds great. We must remain adamant until we recieve fair terms. Of course destroying TNT is nice to. :mischief:
     
  14. Robi D

    Robi D Minister of (Dis)Order

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    i'm happy with the letter as it is.
     
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    And we have their reply. Its a rebuff to our last, They offered a fairish treaty which we as a nation decided to turndown, now they come back to us with this insult. I for one say we dont return a message and we just fight it out on the battlefeild because, if we win the next phase of the war then we set the peace terms or wipe them out. If they win we will need to sue for peace, but as of right now both sides don't really want peace lets just fight it out. I could return some short message basicly saying so be it.
     
  16. Robi D

    Robi D Minister of (Dis)Order

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    At least we know they got writing for currency from MIA.
     
  17. Alphawolf

    Alphawolf Basileus, Founding Father

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    War is for the best right now. That being said, we must win it!

    -the Wolf
     
  18. vikingruler

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    Screw TNT!! They are giving us unagreeable terms of peace that we would be idiots to accept. We can destroy them. Our Mounted Warriors will massacre their pathetic Immortals. The road to peace can only be walked through the a trail of war.
     
  19. magnusmarcus

    magnusmarcus Prince

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    With the recent revelation that we are stronger than them militarily perhaps we should frame a suitable diplomatic response acknowledging that TNT is all talk. Something to the effect that there troops couldn't fight there way out of a wet paper bag?
     
  20. Emp. Killyouall

    Emp. Killyouall EVIL Emperor

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    Anyone feel free to temper this a little, I am still quite mad about their continued demands.
     

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