Neo Nes : Twilight of the Gods

[stalin006]

you can pull it off w. the nesing forum really. specially if the teacher is not exactly a history teacher. just look at some of the maps and stuff.

 

[SKILORD]

My high school blocks these sites because it's "misuse of school property" and "school property is not to be used unless for school purposes" so in truth, these are school computers, they can block what they want. Civfanatics for example is listed under reasons why it's blocked as 'chat', there is also reasons sites areblocked because of 'media, adult, games' and prolly some other things.

What legal rights do I have in the State of New York to say that my school can't not allow me to go to sites of which have nothing to do with the educational process. The only possible part of this site i could remotly say is educational is the history foum.

Well the idea of 'school property' is wrong, it is not private property of the schools, it is the public property of the people. If I were a New York Lawyer handling the case I would use the 9th amendment to the US Constitution and claim that they were infringing upon the unenumerated rights of my client.

Better yet the entire idea of banning chat sites could be construed as an attack of free speech (Amendment 1) as they are telling you where you may speak and where you may not while you use public property.

 

[SKILORD]

Damn, I'm gonna be a freakin amazing lawyer.

 

[stalin006]

But by going to chat, you are denying another person the right to use that resource in what it was intended and paid by the peoples taxes, educational reasons.


Vis a vis Herr Skilord

 

[Tyrion]

Civfanatics isnt blocked at this school. Maybe im the only one who uses it so it cant be disruptive or something.

 

[JosefStalinator]

my school banned addictingames.com...

and the thing that confuses me is some of the sites at my school are designated "tasteless" and thus we cant access them

 

[SKILORD]

But by going to chat, you are denying another person the right to use that resource in what it was intended and paid by the peoples taxes, educational reasons.


Vis a vis Herr Skilord

And by standing on a sidewalk I am denying other people resources that we as citizens have all paid for. It is not a matter of which is a holier purpose, for in the first amendment my government promises me that it will not make value judgements of whose speech is better or more holy.

It is not a case of whether it is morally right to go to CFC while at school, I would dare say that it is not, but for the government to limit the speech of the citzenry who formed it by denying them, or by limiting to them use of services that they have fully paid for with their taxes is illegal according to the United States Constitution and the First Amendment thereof.

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Kablamma, Herr Stalin.

((I'm pretty sure I would loose the case, but that would be a commentary of how far we have come from the Constitution, not whether or not I'm right, because I am))

 

[stalin006]

((, not whether or not I'm right, because I am))

Silly skilird, trix are for kids

 

[JosefStalinator]

SKILORD! representing the lost wing of the republican party!

 

[SKILORD]

Lost? Hardly, we left when they started with that neocon fascist nonsense.

 

[SKILORD]

Actually, about that case, I'd rather the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states and that the states would be in charge of education, but that's not the way it is in real life, so my case stands.

 

[stalin006]

And by standing on a sidewalk I am denying other people resources that we as citizens have all paid for.

no, that would be the equivalent of you using the computer for educational or school related purpuses. But using chats or non related sites would be like you blocking the sidewalk for others not to pass by.

by limiting to them use of services that they have fully paid for with their taxes is illegal according to the United States Constitution and the First Amendment thereof.

It is not being limited, the service fully paid by the people is to provide internet access for schools for the reasons of its use for educational purpuses. I didnt paid the tax to see a teen download porn at school or chat w/ his friends.

Actually, about that case, I'd rather the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states and that the states would be in charge of education, but that's not the way it is in real life, so my case stands.

Actually it is the state that is in charge of education (at least the ones i know of) for example in texas it is paid by property taxes in the state and decisions made by independent schoolborads. Also nowhere in the constitution says that the states has to be in charge, the state may well decide to have it under federal administration remaining entirely constitutional.

Raptus regaliter, Herr Skilord

 

[SKILORD]

no, that would be the equivalent of you using the computer for educational or school related purpuses. But using chats or non related sites would be like you blocking the sidewalk for others not to pass by.

Well lets say I use the sidewalk for something it wasn't intended for, let's say as a dance studio, and I'm out there getting my groove on and the rest of the citizenry cannot pass. I am excercising my right to freedom of speech.

It is not being limited, the service fully paid by the people is to provide internet access for schools for the reasons of its use for educational purpuses. I didnt paid the tax to see a teen download porn at school or chat w/ his friends.

If you want to get into the reason that people are paying those taxes it is rater simple, it is because if they do not they will be punished. Few taxpayers care what the children they are so magnanimously bestowing the internet on use it for.

But the entire idea of 'purpose' for the school access of internet is flawed, and even if it weren't it would be pointless to even try to bring it up, you cannot prove conclusively that this posesses one purpose rather than others and as long as they exist, as publically funded services, they should not be used to infringe the student's right to express themselves or limited in a manner to limit the student's right to express themselves. This case works for chat rooms and forums, I would dare say that it does not give free licsense to examine internet pornography at schools and I could hardly even begin to criticise that as it would be a 9th Amendment issue and the court's ruled in West Coast Hotel v. Parrish that the ninth amendment doesn't really count. (they've done the same with the 4th, coincidentally).

Actually it is the state that is in charge of education (at least the ones i know of) for example in texas it is paid by property taxes in the state and decisions made by independent schoolborads. Also nowhere in the constitution says that the states has to be in charge, the state may well decide to have it under federal administration remaining entirely constitutional.

Regardless, the afformentioned court has also ruled that the Bill applies to states and even if it had not the 14th Amendment would give me the road to my argument. I am opposed to both, but they both have standing.

 

[stalin006]

Well lets say I use the sidewalk for something it wasn't intended for, let's say as a dance studio, and I'm out there getting my groove on and the rest of the citizenry cannot pass. I am excercising my right to freedom of speech..

But you are violating their rights to use the sidewalk if your dancing is not allowing them to pass though.

If you want to get into the reason that people are paying those taxes it is rater simple, it is because if they do not they will be punished. Few taxpayers care what the children they are so magnanimously bestowing the internet on use it for. .

The reason that people are forced to pay those taxes is rather simple, if they didnt have to, they wouldnt. W/out taxes where are u going to get the computers in the first place.

But the entire idea of 'purpose' for the school access of internet is flawed, and even if it weren't it would be pointless to even try to bring it up, you cannot prove conclusively that this posesses one purpose rather than others and as long as they exist, as publically funded services, they should not be used to infringe the student's right to express themselves or limited in a manner to limit the student's right to express themselves. This case works for chat rooms and forums, I would dare say that it does not give free licsense to examine internet pornography at schools and I could hardly even begin to criticise that as it would be a 9th Amendment issue and the court's ruled in West Coast Hotel v. Parrish that the ninth amendment doesn't really count. (they've done the same with the 4th, coincidentally). .

it is not flawed, going to play internet games or yahoo 'happycaffe (or whatever)' chats are evidently no the point of having computers on schools.
Just think about it, what is the point of going to school? using the internet in it to play games or chat is no different than going to your classroom and play football while the others are trying to learn. "i am expresing myself by playing soccer in the classroom!"

The stance towards the 1st amendment is aparently being taken to extremes, according to you i can go at a higher speed on my car "cus i am expresing myself" or "my religion told me to". or being able to go and stop other people to use public property since it is my right to express myself by doing so.

 

[Sheep]

Shut up mthe both of uyou

 

[MattyB2]

no, this is quality entertainment

 

[Tyrion]

Will awards be announced? I think Venezuela should get an award Well for something. Maybe the best or most developed country. Hey i came all the way from the bottom to First Class.

 

[tossi]

No awards! This will be continued!!!

 

[erez87]

Will awards be announced? I think Venezuela should get an award Well for something. Maybe the best or most developed country. Hey i came all the way from the bottom to First Class.

And I came from 6 PP's country into a 27PP's in 3 turns, and than to 54 and now at 81 in how many, 6 turns? with most PP's earned by Stories...

 

[Goober]

NOOO!!! This NES is not over yet, stalin promised to try and continue it later! Come on guys, this is the coolest ever NES, we cannot just let it die without a fight!