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As does Persia, certainly we wish for a peaceful solution.

We will not, unlike the FK, make protests at the fact that they are inserting their will into a corner of the world hitherto untouched by Federate policy.

Nonetheless, we desire for borders to be rectified along the lines of the will of the people. Truly the FK, ruled by a Parliament, can afford the same courtesy of free choice that it gives to all it's subjects?
 
Thlayli said:
Nonetheless, we desire for borders to be rectified along the lines of the will of the people. Truly the FK, ruled by a Parliament, can afford the same courtesy of free choice that it gives to all it's subjects?

19th century Thlayli; we ain't quite at that stage yet!
 
Well, the FK is ruled by a Parliament...it's more of a lofty idealistic diplomacy statement, get the idea? And it makes absolutely no sense that a nation that revolted and asked for French aid should suddenly be turned over to the Federates, at least not without asking the Egyptians.

*sigh*

I need to write more stories...

EDIT: A response at your soonest convenience, dis, would be much appreciated.
 
Letter from Lord John Russell to Shah Ardashir IV

"Dear Sir,

Your protest over the treaty between the Ottoman Empire and the Federaed Kingdoms is noted. Our protection is being extended to a region that is dangerously threatened by both external and internal threats, and it was the decision of the Ottoman Empire, whos lands these are, to transfer them to the Federated Kingdoms in order to preserve stability in the region.

As for how this region is shown on the maps, as far as I know there have been no new official borders drawn between the Ottoman Empire and Persia, and so the official and internationally recognized borders are shown. When a new agreement concerning the borders is sidned we will change maps accordingly.

Now I would like to address a very important point, and one that we hold very dear in the Federated Kingdoms, that you bring up - the point of sovereignty. Sovereignty is defined as the right of the states to exersise full and supreme control over their domestic policy. This consept is the foundation of the international system and international diplomacy, and if you are not familiar with it I will be glad to send you some literature on the subject. What this means in our situation is that the Ottoman Empire is within its right to make whatever decision it deems regarding its territory, with whomever it likes. Any attempted intervention in such affairs from any third party would be a violation of the Ottoman sovereignty and a justification for war. Simularly, the Federated Kingdoms is a sovereign entity, with a right to enter into any agreement with another sovereign entity, and simularly attempts by third powers to intervene would be seen as an infingement upon Federate sovereignty.

As another extention of this sovereignty that we hold, it is the prerogative of the Federated Kingdoms, and not Persia, to decide how the Federated Kingdoms will treat its many subjects. Citizens of the Federated Kingdoms are given many freedoms, many more than anyone enjoys in Persia I might add, and even the non-citizens lead much better lives and enjoy many more freedoms than an average citizen of Persia. I fail to see what moral right you have to point to us how to deal with our citizens.

Finally, as per our agreement with the Ottoman Empire, I must emplore you to quickly produce a fair and responsible agreement that will end this war. We are working on ours, which will be presented to you soon. I hope that we can all exersise some restraint and come to an agreement that will satisfice all involved.

Lord John Russell,
Federate Foreign Secretary"
 
OOC: Popular sovereignty and territorial sovereignty is two entirely different things. How else do empires exist?
 
From: Persia
To: FK

An excellent summary of the concept of sovreignty, indeed. We are quite aware of the concept. However, the Egyptian people are not Ottomans, do not desire to be ruled by Ottomans, and certainly have no connection at all to the Federated Kingdoms. They are, in effect, a sovereign entity.

If the Federated Kingdoms were to produce evidence of a valid claim of ownership to Egypt, Persia would be willing to assent to your annexation. However, the Egyptian people are not to be handed over without due process. As current events have shown, Egypt is certainly capable of protecting and governing itself. The leader of Egypt, and the Egyptians themselves, have called for aid from an entirely different nation than the Federated Kingdoms.

In fact, the only "external threat" to Egyptian self government is the Federated Kingdoms itself.

And frankly, the Ottoman Empire is no longer in control of the said region. If the FK were to "impose" a protectorate on Egypt, we fear that it would have to be by force. And Persia cannot allow a Muslim nation to be annexed in such a manner.

If a majority of the Egyptian people, or any at all in fact, were shown to be amiable to joining your state, we would have no opposition. However, we do not believe that this is the case. The FK indeed has a right to treat it's subjects however it wishes, but certainly the manner in which it attains such subjects, against their will we might add, is subject to some review.

As to your comment on personal freedoms in our respective nations, we have no idea what you are talking about. Unlike the Federated Kingdoms, all persons born in Persian territory are citizens. By comparison, the average Persian may have less political freedom than an Englishman, but certainly more than an Indian, Malaysian or African.

Or an Egyptian for that matter, if this annexation is carried out without proper inquiries.

Sincerely,

The Islamic Council
 
To: The Ottoman Empire
From: Holy Islamic Kingdom of Persia

We are now open to peace on the following conditions:

1. The Ottoman Empire recognizes all current Persian territory gained in battle.
2. The Ottoman Empire cedes to Persia the Island of Socotra, for use as a naval base.
3. Persia will pay the Ottoman Empire 3 economy points for the purchase of the island, and for damages incurred in the course of war.


We strongly request that the Nation of Egypt be granted independence, without a protectorate of any kind. If perhaps, the Egyptian people can put forward a suitable system of government acceptable to the Ottoman Empire and Federated Kingdoms within one year, they may be deemed worthy of self-government.

OOC: I can only imagine what das will do when he wakes up to 5 pages of diplomatic chaos.
 
OOC: Yes, a formal presentation would be best Dis

IC:

Letter to the Islamic Council from Lord Russell

"Sirs,

It is my responsibility to inform you that your letter was reseived in London, all of your intentions understood, and all necessary conclusions made.

Within the next two week the Federated Kingdoms will be withdrawing all military and civilian personell from Persia, including the experts that have been helping you in the training of your navy. We express our hope that this process will go as smothely as possible.

You will be informed of further desisions of the Federate government that concern Persia.

Lord John Russell,

P.S. I am sending with this final letter to you two works on diplomacy, both concerning the concept of sovereignty. I suggest you study them, as the understanding of this consept, which you lack now, will be useful in preventing future conflicts."
 
From Dalnorossia
To the Ottomans, FK...HRE I guess too


In the interests of ending the strife, and returning to their ancestral owners lands that have brought the Ottomans nothing but stress and problems, whilst at the same time giving the Ottomans a fair compensation we would like to offer this treaty, which additonally sets out Dalnorossia-Ottomans relations for some time to come, for once our cossack brothers are reunited with us, ww have no aminomisty toward the turks...

Spoiler Treaty :

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We hope we are not being causing strife with the Persians by assigning the territory they currently hold such; but since they declared this war to reunite with their muslim brothers, we don't see the problem with assigning christain land to new christian nations...

Also regarding eygpt; Its up to the eygptians if they wish to accept this transfer or fight, we will not interfer.
 
From: Persia
To: FK

We wish to kindly remind the Federated Kingdoms that if it is defaulting on the treaty of Bandar-e' Abbas, it must exit said port immediately. While we may not have equally identical ideas on sovreignty, we hope that you will reconsider your withdrawal.

*secret*
If the matter of Egypt being under your control is worth such a blatant insult to our nation, we will withdraw our request for their independence. The withdrawal of Federate personnel in Persia has nothing to do with this matter, however.
*secret*

From: Persia
To: Ottoman Empire, FK

Here is our proposal. Please consider it. In light of recent events, the Egyptian state shown here may merely be a protectorate. In effect, we concede to the Federate demands, in light of preserving our relationship. If you have other opinions on the partition of Yemen and Oman, we would be pleased to hear them.

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If the FK wishes to have a naval base or coaling station in Yemen or Oman, we will show no opposition.
 
From: Persia
To: Dalnorossia

We could agree to the Dalnorossian proposal, and do in the case of the Christian nation located to the east...but could Armenia be located slightly to the north? Persia would prefer to have a port on the Black Sea.
 
Well we can ask the Georgians if they want to move a bit, but clear having a black sea port with the Ottomans first, after all that would put you in easy striking distance of their seat of power (hence the numerous points in my treaty to ease their minds)
 
Ah. Well, we would be willing to add a condition that no Persian military naval vessels would be allowed on the Black Sea, in return for a 10 year Defensive Pact with the Ottoman Empire.

On another note, we would hope that our Chechen comrades under Dalnorossian rule would be treated with an equal amount of autonomy granted to the Uzbeks. It is only fair, considering our acknowledgement of the Christian Kingdoms.
 
[size=+1]Lajos III, King of Hungary[/size]

Birth & Early Life

His Majesty Király Lajos III Bourbon, King of Hungary, was born Louis-Philippe Henri Joseph de Bourbon, Comte de Chartres, on 6th July, 1842, at the estate of his father, Henri-Gaston de Bourbon, Duc d'Orléans. The eldest son of one of the most powerful noblemen in France, and favoured nephew of the Emperor, Louis-Philippe was introduced to royal politics at an early age, and benefitted immediately from the privileges and opportunities provided by aristocratic status and royal favour. By his early teens, Louis-Philippe was a favourite guest at his Uncle's court; he was engaging and amicable, with an endearing sense of humour and a quiet dignity uncommon amongst the noblemen at court -- but furthermore he was immediately recognized as a boy of keen intelligence and great potential for leadership. At the age of thirteen he left the house of his father at Orléans to reside full-time at the Imperial court, where he began his education under the Empire's finest tutors: the very same teachers, in fact, who would later bring up the young Dauphin Julien, Louis-Philippe's cousin. Under the guidance of the finest minds in France and Spain, the young Comte de Chartres learned history, geography, philosophy, rhetoric, mathematics, physical science, Latin, German, and royal etiquette. By all measures Louis-Philippe excelled, especially in the fields of language and history; by his sixteenth birthday, the Comte could recite perfect Virgil, recall all the details of the Nine-Year's War, and hold his own in a debate about the nature of God and Man with Europe's sharpest intellects. His primary education being thus completed, Louis-Philippe left the court of his Uncle for a spot at the École Spéciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr, France's premier military academy.

Military Career

At Saint-Cyr Louis-Philippe's natural aptitude for the military arts emerged; graduating at the top of his class, the Comte displayed an intuitive understanding of artillery and combined-arms tactics, and the utilization of terrain and artillery deployment to gain an advantage over the enemy.

After graduating Saint-Cyr, Louis-Philippe received his commission as a Capitaine, commanding a cavalry squadron in Algeria. The cavalry quickly proved unsuited to the Comte's talents, however, and he was transferred to command an Imperial infantry company in Mexico. During his tenure in Mexico, Louis-Philippe proved a capable commander and effective leader. During this same time he also developed strong sympathies for the Liberal cause of the Mexican revolutionaries he had been sent to suppress; while he would not tolerate open rebellion against the Empire, on an intellectual level he supported the Mexican philosophy of constitutional monarchy and representative government. This political doctrine remained with him when he returned to France the following the year, to accept promotion to the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel and command of the Garde Imperial in his native Orléans.

While in France, Louis corresponded with the Continent's most brilliant thinkers and political theorists. He communicated often with Liberal political philosophers and leaders in Italy, Poland, and Hungary; some of his own ideas helped to shape the policies of the Liberal factions in these countries.

King of Hungary

In late 1864, Louis-Philippe was approached by an agent of the nascent Hungarian government, who had been authorized by the Parliament and Regent to offer him the Holy Crown of St. Stephen, on the condition that he accepted constitutional limits on his power. Louis-Philippe jumped at the offer, which he saw as an opportunity to put his Liberal principles of constitutional monarchy into practice. In Hungary he also saw a young state in need of guidance, and one with great potential which could, in the right hands, be transformed into a strong and prosperous state. After only a few days' deliberation, Louis-Philippe accepted, and ordered that plans be made for his journey to the Magyar capital at Budapest.

Louis resigned his commission as a Lieutenant-Colonel, and signed a contract waiving his claim to the succession of the Duchy of Orléans. Nonetheless, before leaving, he was presented by his Uncle with the honorary rank of Général de Division, and the honorary title of Chevalier de Saint-Michel.

On 1st December, 1865, Louis-Philippe Henri Joseph de Bourbon accepted the Holy Crown from the Archbishop of Budapest in St. Stephen's Basilica, thereby becoming the first King of modern Hungary. This ceremony was followed shortly thereafter by two others: a royal wedding, and the ratification of the National Constitution. Less than a month after being crowned in Budapest, Lajos III, as he was now called, married Countess Zsofia Andrássy of Krasznahorka, cousin of Gyula Andrássy, the prominent Parliamentarian of Kossuth's National Liberal party, and the daughter of a wealthy and well-standing Magyar nobleman.

Soon thereafter Lajos signed his name to the document created by Deák, Szalay, and Pulszky, officially establishing a constitutional and limited monarchy in Hungary. Lajos immediately called upon Kossuth, who had stepped down as Regent following the coronation, to form a responsible government; Parliamentary monarchy had begun in the realm of St. Stephen.

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Certainly.

To: FK
From: Persia

Thank you for your interesting papers on sovreignty, they have proved most enlightening. In return we are sending you several essays from our scholars at Teheran University. The topic is "The Merits of Self-Determination."

Some remarkable concepts, indeed. Allahu Akbar!

Cordially,

The Islamic Council
 
OOC: funny how a war initiated for religious reasons doesnt' involve it in the peace talk...

Anywho, to change the atmosphere from the tense diplomatic conversation we have going on, here's another story.... :) Thx to das for the idea (mentioned in the update)

Zygmungt IV was seated quietly on his bed. Today, contrary to his usual attire, he was dressed as a monarch should be. Golden fleece and jewelry decorated his body. It was the first time in months when this garment, including his crown, is being wore. For the better part of the year, they were kept locked and unused, with the exception of maintenance. At the moment, the crown was not on Zygmungt’s head. Rather, it was held in his hands, the object of his focus. His face was grim and his mind was racing. Over and over, the same scenes (re) played in his mind.

It was a bright and warm day. Elsewhere around the world, soldiers were spilling their blood, fighting for both the nation’s safety as well as their own ideal. In Poland, however, the soldiers were relaxing and resting from their training. As infectious as the war seems to be, it has not spread to Poland yet. Zygmungt was touring the new training fields with his usual company of guards and ministers. Having finished watching the drills performed by their newly recruited army divisions, he was satisfied by what he saw. ‘With their help, the horrors of war will be kept away from this land.’

The better part of the tour was uneventful; they saw what they came to see, and was pleased by the performance. It was near the end, when things went wrong. Horribly wrong, so to speak. As they were leaving for their coach, a gunshot rang in the air. Heads turned frantically, and hands shot to their pistol holster, but no attacking force was found. Instead, they saw a lone horse racing toward them in the distance. As it neared, they came to the conclusion that the (bloodied) rider wasn’t a threat. As a matter of fact, he was the opposite.

The story told to them by the soldier was short, but alarming. A military coup was planned, and about to be carried out. Someone amongst the conspirators was still loyal to him (or Yaniv, his guard captain to be more precise), and sent the soldier to warn them. As it turned out, all of them would’ve come to a bloody death had they left a moment earlier. The conspirators were planning to ambush them on the road ahead, their main target being the king naturally. Once they eliminated the king, they were to withdraw. The ideal situation was one or two shots fired with nobody the wiser as to who or where the shots came from.

Even though they knew of the plan, their situation was not much better. If they avoid the road, the conspirators will know something went wrong, and hunt down the loyalist amongst them. Furthermore, the conspirators can claim there was no conspiracy and that Zygmungt was just paranoid. Lastly, they had no clue if the other routes aren’t ambushed as well. After all, when one plans to assassinate the monarch, you cover all possible holes in the plan. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place.


At that point, Zygmungt’s memory of the day’s event ended. It wasn’t until the day after that he found out what happened. His friend, mentor, and guard captain had made him unconscious, and switched their garments. It was a known fact that Zygmungt likes to ride on the horse instead of sitting inside the carriage. According to Yaniv’s men, they all volunteered to take his place, but the captain wouldn’t have any of it. At the end of the day, the conspirators did exactly as the soldier had told them they would. Although Yaniv’s men managed to capture one of the assassins, they still were able to kill the man donning the king’s garment. Unknown to them of course was that the man they killed wasn’t the king, but his guard captain.

The following day, revenge was carried out swiftly, and justly. A full fledge investigation of the army generals as well as some government officials was conducted at the King’s order. The loyalist came forward and provided them with the necessary information and names. He and his men were spared, but the rest was not as lucky. It is arguable perhaps that had nobody died in the attempt, Zygmungt might’ve only exiled the conspirators and strip them of their possessions. Either way, the end result was the arrest of a number of conservative nobles and army generals. Almost all of them held a grudge against him due to some of his policies, and it was found that some of them had ties to foreign nations as well. The conspirators in question are currently imprisoned. To Zygmungt, their fate has already been decided. But only after today, when the Sejm gathers, can he exact revenge for his guard captain. Such was the life of a parliamentary monarch.
 
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