Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
das said:You already got there. If you want to go even further, okay, but it will take decades then...
I did? Awesomes! The stats still say early industrial age though - hence my confusion
NES2 V - The Great Game.
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I did? Awesomes! The stats still say early industrial age though - hence my confusion
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
*Motions for a reply to my diplo*
das
Regeneration In Process
Hmmph. I'll bet there are more French Republicans in France than in Persia, and yet France doesn't seem to go on a self-determining spree.
Sorry, you didn't - I keep confusing you with the Incans in that regard... Will fix the project.
IC:
Egypt agrees to alliance with Persia.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Das, would cutting off the +5 cities part of my project shorten it? I no longer have a shortage of cities.
In the past few years, more and more Europeans with more democratic ideals than their monarchist friends have found homes in Persia...including one Polish former-aristocrat pseudoscientist, as my next story may demonstrate.
From: Persia
To: Andorra
In light of your criticism, we fear that a Persian led alliance, augmented by troops from Liechtenstein and San Marino, will be forced to crush your nation.
In the past few years, more and more Europeans with more democratic ideals than their monarchist friends have found homes in Persia...including one Polish former-aristocrat pseudoscientist, as my next story may demonstrate.
From: Persia
To: Andorra
In light of your criticism, we fear that a Persian led alliance, augmented by troops from Liechtenstein and San Marino, will be forced to crush your nation.
Harleqin
Hippo Power
das said:He'll ask you to add all that, in detail, and with maps, to your orders. All of you.
Don't forget it this time.
But das, never I nor andis know exactly which areas are pro-Inca
If andis doesn't mind we could just draw the line where my troops are right now, though I expect that the coastal area prefers to stay Imperial... if really depends on what the people feel and only the almighty mod knows... so we can't really make a map for you It's due to the Incan coolness factor
And cuteness factor Everybody wishes they were the Sapa-Inca so they could have Royal Llamas 
das
Regeneration In Process
Slightly.
Good for you, but how does that influence government policy unless... oh no. Is Persia really ran by Polish emigres, while the Council and Ardashir are but their puppets?!
From: Andorra
To: Persia
You and what army?
That and Monaco will help us.
EDIT:
Ahem. You do realize that in the northern jungles, there are lots of tiny villages filled with Incan sympathisers? And you do realize what sort of a mess that would make?
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
You have found the truth, das.
In fact, it's all a Judeo-Polish-Bolshevik-Freemason-Pandaist (French) conspiracy!
But in all seriousness, the Council and Ardashir are a bit sympathetic to republican ideas...not enough to loosen their own power that much, but nonetheless. Several council members were rather scared by Umberto though...
To: Andorra
From: Persia
Hmm...call off that war. Our experts just informed us that merely finding Andorra, let alone attacking it, would take over three centuries.
Peace at current borders?
In fact, it's all a Judeo-Polish-Bolshevik-Freemason-Pandaist (French) conspiracy!
But in all seriousness, the Council and Ardashir are a bit sympathetic to republican ideas...not enough to loosen their own power that much, but nonetheless. Several council members were rather scared by Umberto though...
To: Andorra
From: Persia
Hmm...call off that war. Our experts just informed us that merely finding Andorra, let alone attacking it, would take over three centuries.
Peace at current borders?
Harleqin
Hippo Power
das said:
No
Basically, what I do know is that there are many in southern Neugranada that prefers Incan rule to Imperial rule and we agreed on my administrators taking over from the Imperials. Both due to thanks over the intervention and aid against Portugal and because the Empire couldn't really handle Portugal plus an uprising. How much land are we talking about? We can't really hold a vote or anything. Not proper to the timeperiod.
What kind of a mess are we talking about? Something like when trying to juggle eggs? My thoughts were it would be like on the map below. The coloured definately Incan, the lined one possibly... and the coast Imperial.
Harleqin
Hippo Power
andis-1 said:
Agreed. Even if it is actually more than expected. I won't complain though
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Heh, he's a noble. And he wasn't technically accused of anything, but believed that he would be arrested soon for supporting the idea of a Republic. He's already in Persia, and been granted asylum. And he's too important to lose.
And he's too important to lose. 
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Technically he didn't do much...but he was scared.
EDIT: Since noone has responded to my diplomacy except Andorra, I'll just assume an international conspiracy to destroy Persia is afoot. Kal, please answer my PM. And I'd appreciate it if you answered my diplo Storm. Thanks.
Grandmaster
Deity
[size=+1]Government of the Kingdom of Hungary[/size]
The Monarchy
Hungary is a constitutional monarchy on the liberal Parliamentary model. The King of Hungary is nominally sovereign, although he does not govern in practice, and serves in the capacity of Head of State. The King's duties are largely ceremonial; they include conducting state rituals, welcoming foreign dignitaries, representing the Kingdom overseas, and officially calling the Government (which is, in practice, elected by the people.) Nonetheless, the King does hold some practical governing powers: he appoints governors and magistrates on the Chancellor's suggestion, may nullify declarations of war and foreign treaties, and can dissolve Governments without a vote of confidence.
His Majesty Király Lajos III Bourbon is the reigning King of Hungary.
The Government
His Majesty's Royal Government, commonly referred to as "The Government", is the executive body of the Hungarian state. The Government consists of the Cabinet, headed by the Chancellor, and the various Ministries, headed by the Cabinet Ministers.
The Chancellor is the acting Head of Government, responsible for actually governing the state in the King's name. The Chancellor is selected from among the National Assembly by a vote of the Assembly delegates. The Chancellor is typically the leader of the majority party. Unlike in the Westminster System, the Chancellor does not lead the Assembly; rather, he leads the independent executive, while the another officer presides over the legislature. The Chancellor is responsible for executing legislative policy and enforcing judicial mandates; he also plays a significant role in shaping domestic policy, and is responsible for formulating the state's foreign policy. While the King is nominally the Supreme Commander of the Hungarian Armed Forces, overall command of the military really rests with the Chancellor. When called upon by the King, the Chancellor is responsible for forming the rest of the Government, by recommending ministerial and other official appointments to the King. The current Chancellor is Kancellár Lajos Kossuth.
The Cabinet consists of the Ministers, who head the various executive departments. Cabinet Ministers are appointed by the King on the suggestion of the Chancellor. Each is responsible for leading a certain, each with its own policy area and governing responsibilities. The Ministers advise the Chancellor on policy in their specialized area, and enact executive mandates at the departmental level. The current Cabinet Ministers are:
Minister of State Count Lajos Batthyány de Németújvár, responsible for domestic affairs;
Minister of Foreign Affairs Ferenc Deák, responsible for diplomacy and foreign policy;
Minister of War Ödön Beöthy, responsible for military policy; and
Minister of Finance Ferenc Pulszky, responsible for financial policy, economic policy, and the national budget.
The National Assembly
The Nemzetgyűlés is the national legislative body of Hungary. Unlike the Federate Parliament, the Nemzetgyűlés is a unicameral legislature. Assembly Delegates are elected to represent geographical districts by universal adult male suffrage; while the magnates possess no special electoral privileges, most national candidates are drawn from the landed nobility and urban aristocracy. The National Assembly makes law and appropriates funding to the executive.
The National Assembly is headed by the President. The President is typically a high-ranking, popular, or widely-respected member of the majority party. The President is responsible for managing the operation of the Assembly, maintaining order during legislative sessions, mediating internal political conflicts, and casting tie-breaking votes in the legislature. The current President of the National Assembly is Gyűlés Elnök Count István Széchenyi.
Political Parties
The great majority of Assembly Delegates are members of one of the several national political parties. The parties are arranged on ideological, geographical, and socioeconomic lines. The three major national parties adhere to the ideologies of prominent leaders from the War of Independence. The major parties with representation in the National Assembly and Government are:
National Liberal Party: The National Liberals currently hold the majority in the Assembly and control the Government. The party consists of a moderate-left wing and a somewhat more radical wing, and favors strong central government, nationalism, government reform, and an active expansionist policy, utilizing diplomatic, financial, and military means. The party's base is amongst the urban and rural middle class, the enlisted military, and ideological liberals. The party is currently led by Lajos Kossuth, and is also the party of Gyula Andrássy, Artúr Görgey, Levin Rauch, and László Szalay.
Centre Party: The Centre Party is a moderate, centrist party which often controls the balance of power between the Liberals and Conservatives. The party supports a well-balanced federal government, a programme of slow and peaceful expansionism, and the formation of strong diplomatic ties with the states of Europe. The party draws its support from urban intellectuals, career civil servants, and Catholics. The Centre is currently led by Ferenc Deák, and is also the party of Ferenc Pulszky, Ödön Beöthy, and József Eötvös.
Autonomist-Conservative Party: The Conservatives are a right-wing party, primarilly representing the interests of the landed magnates. The Conservatives favour small decentralized government, aristocratic privilege, and a defensive or isolationist foreign policy. Unlike conservatives in other countries, the Autonomist-Conservatives favour individual freedom (mostly for the elite), and oppose a strong, governing monarchy. The party is currently led by Count István Széchenyi.
The Monarchy
Hungary is a constitutional monarchy on the liberal Parliamentary model. The King of Hungary is nominally sovereign, although he does not govern in practice, and serves in the capacity of Head of State. The King's duties are largely ceremonial; they include conducting state rituals, welcoming foreign dignitaries, representing the Kingdom overseas, and officially calling the Government (which is, in practice, elected by the people.) Nonetheless, the King does hold some practical governing powers: he appoints governors and magistrates on the Chancellor's suggestion, may nullify declarations of war and foreign treaties, and can dissolve Governments without a vote of confidence.
His Majesty Király Lajos III Bourbon is the reigning King of Hungary.
The Government
His Majesty's Royal Government, commonly referred to as "The Government", is the executive body of the Hungarian state. The Government consists of the Cabinet, headed by the Chancellor, and the various Ministries, headed by the Cabinet Ministers.
The Chancellor is the acting Head of Government, responsible for actually governing the state in the King's name. The Chancellor is selected from among the National Assembly by a vote of the Assembly delegates. The Chancellor is typically the leader of the majority party. Unlike in the Westminster System, the Chancellor does not lead the Assembly; rather, he leads the independent executive, while the another officer presides over the legislature. The Chancellor is responsible for executing legislative policy and enforcing judicial mandates; he also plays a significant role in shaping domestic policy, and is responsible for formulating the state's foreign policy. While the King is nominally the Supreme Commander of the Hungarian Armed Forces, overall command of the military really rests with the Chancellor. When called upon by the King, the Chancellor is responsible for forming the rest of the Government, by recommending ministerial and other official appointments to the King. The current Chancellor is Kancellár Lajos Kossuth.
The Cabinet consists of the Ministers, who head the various executive departments. Cabinet Ministers are appointed by the King on the suggestion of the Chancellor. Each is responsible for leading a certain, each with its own policy area and governing responsibilities. The Ministers advise the Chancellor on policy in their specialized area, and enact executive mandates at the departmental level. The current Cabinet Ministers are:
Minister of State Count Lajos Batthyány de Németújvár, responsible for domestic affairs;
Minister of Foreign Affairs Ferenc Deák, responsible for diplomacy and foreign policy;
Minister of War Ödön Beöthy, responsible for military policy; and
Minister of Finance Ferenc Pulszky, responsible for financial policy, economic policy, and the national budget.
The National Assembly
The Nemzetgyűlés is the national legislative body of Hungary. Unlike the Federate Parliament, the Nemzetgyűlés is a unicameral legislature. Assembly Delegates are elected to represent geographical districts by universal adult male suffrage; while the magnates possess no special electoral privileges, most national candidates are drawn from the landed nobility and urban aristocracy. The National Assembly makes law and appropriates funding to the executive.
The National Assembly is headed by the President. The President is typically a high-ranking, popular, or widely-respected member of the majority party. The President is responsible for managing the operation of the Assembly, maintaining order during legislative sessions, mediating internal political conflicts, and casting tie-breaking votes in the legislature. The current President of the National Assembly is Gyűlés Elnök Count István Széchenyi.
Political Parties
The great majority of Assembly Delegates are members of one of the several national political parties. The parties are arranged on ideological, geographical, and socioeconomic lines. The three major national parties adhere to the ideologies of prominent leaders from the War of Independence. The major parties with representation in the National Assembly and Government are:
National Liberal Party: The National Liberals currently hold the majority in the Assembly and control the Government. The party consists of a moderate-left wing and a somewhat more radical wing, and favors strong central government, nationalism, government reform, and an active expansionist policy, utilizing diplomatic, financial, and military means. The party's base is amongst the urban and rural middle class, the enlisted military, and ideological liberals. The party is currently led by Lajos Kossuth, and is also the party of Gyula Andrássy, Artúr Görgey, Levin Rauch, and László Szalay.
Centre Party: The Centre Party is a moderate, centrist party which often controls the balance of power between the Liberals and Conservatives. The party supports a well-balanced federal government, a programme of slow and peaceful expansionism, and the formation of strong diplomatic ties with the states of Europe. The party draws its support from urban intellectuals, career civil servants, and Catholics. The Centre is currently led by Ferenc Deák, and is also the party of Ferenc Pulszky, Ödön Beöthy, and József Eötvös.
Autonomist-Conservative Party: The Conservatives are a right-wing party, primarilly representing the interests of the landed magnates. The Conservatives favour small decentralized government, aristocratic privilege, and a defensive or isolationist foreign policy. Unlike conservatives in other countries, the Autonomist-Conservatives favour individual freedom (mostly for the elite), and oppose a strong, governing monarchy. The party is currently led by Count István Széchenyi.
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
The Treaty of Istanbul
Lord John Russell arrived in Constantinopol four weeks ago. He proceeded to negotiate with representatives from the Ottoman Empire and Dalnorossia in order to achieve a Peace Treaty. Negotiations were stalled with Persia due to Persia's overt hostility towards the Federate government. Over this period of four weeks Lord Russell also made two trips to France to discuss the situation with his French counterparts. As a result the following treaty was drafted and presented to the parties.
Lord John Russell arrived in Constantinopol four weeks ago. He proceeded to negotiate with representatives from the Ottoman Empire and Dalnorossia in order to achieve a Peace Treaty. Negotiations were stalled with Persia due to Persia's overt hostility towards the Federate government. Over this period of four weeks Lord Russell also made two trips to France to discuss the situation with his French counterparts. As a result the following treaty was drafted and presented to the parties.
Article 1 - End of Hostilities
All hostilities between the three parties in the Near Eastern War will come to an immediate end. All military units will be withdrawn from foreign territory, conflict areas shall be de-militarized, and all parties will recognize each other's sovereignty within new borders. [For de-militarized zones and new borders see later Articles.]
Article 2 - Monitary Reparations
Section I: Ottoman Reparations
Recognizing the unfortunate fate of the Cossack population within the Ottoman Empire, and wishing to repair the damages done the Ottoman Empire shall transfer a sum of money equal in value to 1 million Federate Pounds to Dalnorossia to be used in reconstruction of the Volga Basin. [1]
Section II: Persian Reparations
Recognizing Persia's involvement in planning and executing a war against a sovereign entity, and recognizing that as such Persia is directly responsible for the damages caused by this war Persia shall transfer a sum of money equal in value to 3 million Federate Pounds to the Ottoman Empire. [2]
Article 3 - Territorial Changes
Section I: The Volga Basin
The Volga Basin will be transferred from Ottoman to Dalnorossian posession. The peoples of the territory assosiate themselves more with the Dalnorossian people and not the Ottoman. Furthermore, the border that results from such a transfer is a more stable one, thus resulting in an increased stability in the region. [3][4]
Section II: Ottoman-Perisan Border
The Ottoman-Persian border shall be redrawn to extend the Persian borders to include the mountains and hills to the north east of the Tigris river. This area has historical and cultural connections to Persia, thus ensuring a more stable border. Furthermore, this area has religious connections to Persia, ensuring a more stable border. Even fruther, this area is geographically suitable to serve as a border, assuring even further stability. [5][6]
Article 4 - Right of Passage of Peoples
In cases where there exist minorities of peoples who have been by seperated from most of their group of peoples by the new border free and unobstructed passage of the minority peoples to the country that is home to the rest of the group of these peoples will be allowed, but will not be made cumpolsory. [7]
Article 5 - Right of Culture and Identity of Peoples
In cases where there exist minorities of peoples who chose not to move to the country that is home to their group of peoples they will be granted the rights to practice their traditional religion and cultural traditions. No government policies will interfere with the identity of such a group. [8][9]
Article 6 - Right to Autonomy of Peoples
In specific cases where a region of a country is home to a people with a strong cultural tradition that is different from that of the country as a whole limited autonomy will be granted to such a region. [10] In the case of this treaty such regions are: Armenia, Georgia.
Article 7 - Black Sea Trade
One port on the Don river will be open to Dalnorossian trade and the Ottoman Empire will fascilitate free and unobstracted Dalnorossian trade through its territory to this port and from this port to others in the Black and Mediterranean Sea. [11]
[1] - There are cossack people living throughout many parts of the Ottoman Empire, but in most of these places they do not form a majority. The rights of these people are discusses in a later part of the treaty.
[2] - By accepting this provision the parties recognize that no nation in the world has a right to attack another without provocation. Each nation is a sovereign entity; the system of sovereignty must be protected to ensure that stronger nations do not impose their will on weaker counterparts.
[3] - See map for exact border.
[4] - The rest of the area north east of the Black Sea was not transferred to Dalnorossia as requested due to the fact that such a border would only fascilitate instability, since not only would Christians live under Ottoman rule in the region but Muslims would live under Christian rule.
[5] - See map for exact border.
[6] - The other areas Persians have claimed in their peace proposal bare no connection to the Persian Empire. The connections of these areas to ancient Persia have long been replaced by Muslim traditions, and the majority of people living in the areas are Arabs. Simularly, religiously these areas are predonimantly Sunni Muslim (with the exception of the lower Tigris valley) which makes them more connected to the Ottoman Empire. Finally, the border proposed by Persia would not result in a stable region, creating numerous tensions that would lead to further conflict.
[7] - If any country choses to abuse this right of peoples and to use it to harm another country they will be found in violation of this treaty and in violation of the sovereignty of the other country.
[8] - The provisions laid out in this Article are not limitted to the Ottoman Empire, but are aplicable to all the signatories of the treaty.
[9] - This provisions includes the rights of Shiite Muslims living in the Ottoman Empire to freely practice their religion.
[10] - The country, however, retains full sovereignty of the region in question and any attempt to exploit the situation is a violation of the country's sovereignty.
[11] - The Ottoman Empire retains all sovereignty of the port in question. This was found to be a better solution than transfer of large territories to Dalnorossia in order to fascilitate Dalnorossian trade.
Attachments
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
A letter from Lord Russell to Islamic Council of Persia
"Sirs,
By recognizing Egypt as an independant nation you are in direct violation of Federate sovereignty. You have two days to officially withdraw the recognition, issue an appology, and send your representatives to Istanbul to negotiate the final peace treaty. If by the end of two days you have not done so a state of war will exist between the Federated Kingdoms and Persia.
With regard to Bandar-e 'Abbas I must inform you that the Federated Kingdoms did pay the required sum of money to lease the city from you, and did provide you with naval training, therefore the city will remain in Federate posession until the expiration of the treaty. Any move taken against Federate presence in the city will be taken as an act of war and will bring aprorpiate consequences.
We are continuing the evacuation of all Federate nationals from Persia, and we must warn you that any attempt to impede this process will bring severe consequences against Persia.
I remind you that you have two days from the delivery of this letter to act.
Lord John Russell"
"Sirs,
By recognizing Egypt as an independant nation you are in direct violation of Federate sovereignty. You have two days to officially withdraw the recognition, issue an appology, and send your representatives to Istanbul to negotiate the final peace treaty. If by the end of two days you have not done so a state of war will exist between the Federated Kingdoms and Persia.
With regard to Bandar-e 'Abbas I must inform you that the Federated Kingdoms did pay the required sum of money to lease the city from you, and did provide you with naval training, therefore the city will remain in Federate posession until the expiration of the treaty. Any move taken against Federate presence in the city will be taken as an act of war and will bring aprorpiate consequences.
We are continuing the evacuation of all Federate nationals from Persia, and we must warn you that any attempt to impede this process will bring severe consequences against Persia.
I remind you that you have two days from the delivery of this letter to act.
Lord John Russell"
The Ottoman Empire approves of significant parts of this. But on the topic of Persia, Sultan Kalim disagrees. the FK suggests that the Ottomans are to give up land while the Persians pay us a meager sum. We will take western Persian lands, to teach them to not threaten the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire.
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