Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Kimiimaro]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 31
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 12+1=13 - Wasting my point to give an extra life to the unrepresented region of Europe. Bulgarians were historical rivals of Byzantine Empire. But Romania or Serbia wouldn't be bad, I think...
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 17
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 15
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 18-3=15 - I don't absolutely care about Nepal. I want some civ that had significant impact on world, or at region where it's placed, or at least on it's neighbours.

 

[Zaarin]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28 (31 - 3) -- Knocking them down a bit because they can afford it.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 18 (17 + 1) -- A Gaulish civ would be preferable to a generic Celtic civ in every possible way, plus contrary to what some others have said there is in fact no current representation of Iron Age Europe north of the Alps--which was dominated by the Celts.
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 15
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 15

 

[Siptah]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 15
Maori/Other Polynesians 20 (23-3) Not interesting to me. You could draft some abilities though, like in Civ V.
Nepalese 16 (15+1) Nepal is a very interesting and unique civ, in history (at least since the Renaissance where it gained Independence) and today. They are more than a substitute of Tibet. They nowadays include some regions that are very 'Tibetan' and have historically included Tibetan tribes and Kingdoms, like Mustang or the Sherpa (the latter don't feel very Tibetan if you meet them nowadays btw). Impact on history and importance should not be the major reason to include civs after some point. I don't think it's really measurable anyway. You can get people to agree on ~20 civs that are regarded as important by almost everyone and then it gets difficult. But is Rome more important or Greece?Is Japan an important civ? Are the Maya? Iroquois? Australia? Russia? Assyria? Carthage? I don't think there really is an answer to that.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 16 (15 + 1) - a 'Central Asian' culture overlaid wth Hellenistic Greek. For once, a distinctive bunch o' steppe nomads! With distinctively un-nomadic traits like irrigation systems, a genuine urban culture, distinctive coinage - and they sat on part of the early 'silk road', so could be part of an interesting DLC Scenario.
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 13 (16 - 3) - IF we must have a 'Himalayan' Civ, Tibet is much more distinctive culturally, religiously, and equally so militarily- where else do you find a Mountain Civ with Heavy Cavalry? Include 'Nepal' as a Military City State giving you the mercenary unit: Gurkhas (Rifleman substitute with ferocious Melee Factor?) and they're covered for game purposes...

 

[Guandao]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA (24+1)=25 This region is long overdue for representation in Civ. Iroquois has been done twice already, always with Hiawatha. How about an Amerindian Civ with a more historical leader? They are the descendants of the Mississippian moundbuilders, who ended up suffering from infectious diseases (I blame De Soto ). Despite this, they coalesce into several ethnic groups and adapted until their forced removal to Oklahoma (Jackson!!!! ).
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 16
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese (13-3)=10 They seem similar to India in language and culture. I know there are Tibeto-Burman languages spoken there, but the most likely leader wouldn't speak them. He would spoke Nepali, an Indo-Aryan language like Hindi. Even Bhutan would be a better Tibet stand-in than them.

 

[Zaarin]

@Guandao Not to disregard the fact that De Soto was a butcher, but to be fair the Mississippians were already on the verge of collapse when he took his leisurely stroll through the Southeast; in all likelihood, the Mississippians would have been gone by the time the Europeans arrived in the region in earnest with or without him. Archaeological records suggest that this sort of cycle of centralization, collapse, and restructuring had been going on in the Southeast and Mississippi River basin for a very long time.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 16-3=13
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 10+1=11

Nepal because I find them the most compelling in terms of history, gameplay, religion, culture, military, and just general interest. Kushans because I thought we were talking about the Kush Kingdom of Egypt not the Kush steppe people of India and now that I know which Kush we are talking about I prefer the African Kush to the Indian.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Nepal because I find them the most compelling in terms of history, gameplay, religion, culture, military, and just general interest. Kushans because I thought we were talking about the Kush Kingdom of Egypt not the Kush steppe people of India and now that I know which Kush we are talking about I prefer the African Kush to the Indian.

FYI, the Kushites were already in Round 1, listed as "Nubians." They placed 7th.

 

[Returning Lurker]

FYI, the Kushites were already in Round 1, listed as "Nubians." They placed 7th.

I wasn't participating in round 1 and didn't check the results, so I would not have known that. My vote goes unchanged.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I wasn't participating in round 1 and didn't check the results, so I would not have known that. My vote goes unchanged.

No one's telling you to change anything. I understand that you were not aware of what transpired in round 1 (feel free to check out the tally in post #1), which was why I informed you of that information.

 

[Xandinho]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28 + 1 = 29 It still my number one on the list. What I do not expect to happen is that they are represented by modern Nigeria.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 13
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 13
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 11 - 3 = 8 Well, nothing against them. But Nepal is a little below my priority list, but I would not mind seeing them. The most ideal would be Tibet, but due to political issues, I do not believe they will be represented by a full civ someday.

 

[Zaarin]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 10 (13 - 3) -- If we really need more Eastern European civs, let it be Hungary.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 23 (22 + 1) -- It really is high time the Caucasus got some representation in the game.
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 13
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 8

 

[The Kingmaker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 10
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 18+1=19 I want to see Vercingetorix at long last.
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 13
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 8-3=5 I'd prefer Tibet represent the Himalayas. If Paradox can do it, so can 2K.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 10+1=11 - My personal priority. I don't think Europe is overrepresented. European civilisations are well documented and they have interresting history. There will be never "too much of them" for me. And Balkan is unrepresented, we have only Sparta (Greece), Athens (Greece), Macedon (Greece). And Byzantium (Eastern Rome, but Greece was the main nation), but that's not in the game. So, we have only Greece. We need more Balkans (Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania...) or Slavic nations (Bohemia...) And by the way... since when is Hungary Balkan civ?
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 19
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 13
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Nepalese 5-3=2 - I'm not interrested in this region. Why should Firaxis pick them when the others are better choices?

 

[Siptah]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 11
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 19
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 28 (27+1) For once a NA civ that I'd be happy with if it has a strong early game and UU. I so don't like the Aztecs having an ancient era UU... or other NAs in the past. Here it would fit.
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 13
Maori/Other Polynesians 17 (20-3) Nah, just nah. Ok, TSL...
Nepalese 2

 

[Orange1861]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 11
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 19
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 28
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 14 (13 + 1) Pretty interesting and were central to important trade routes.
Maori/Other Polynesians 17
Nepalese 0 (2 - 3) Not interested in them in the slightest.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 29+1=30
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 11
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 19
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 28-3=25
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 14
Maori/Other Polynesians 17

My reasons have been given.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 30
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 11-3=8 My apologies to Vlad the Impaler, who could have a really cool leader animation. I wonder about the pros and cons of a possible Wallachian civ.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25
Gauls/Britons 19+1=20 Voting for Gaul.
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 25
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 14
Maori/Other Polynesians 17

 

[Xandinho]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 30
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 8
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 25 - 3 = 22 I do not feel so attracted to Native Amerindian peoples, I just never play with them. However, I like to play against them. I think it boring always to include Amerindians from North America, while indigenous tribes from the Caribbean and from South America are forgotten, with some of these tribes having interesting leaders such as Anacaona and Cunhambebe, but it seems that developers will always choose North American tribes, though. Even no matter which one will can to be included, I think Haida is more interesting than Creek.
Gauls/Britons 20
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 25
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 14
Maori/Other Polynesians 17 + 1 = 18 It's interesting for a few reasons: TSL, It would compete power with Australia, culturally unique and could provide interesting gameplay. Since, apparently the developers are looking for civs from around the world, I would not be surprised to see the mass of New Zealand lands gaining a Maori civ.

 

[Zaarin]

@Kimiimaro I didn't call Hungary a Balkan civ; I called it an Eastern European civ...

@Xandinho I think the major difference is that in Native North America you have societies who developed complex cultures, with specialists and other trappings of "advanced civilization" (by traditional definitions) even though they were Neolithic or Mesolithic. There's not much evidence for that in the Caribbean, where the natives appear to be much like traditional hunter-gatherers the world over.

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 30
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 5 (8 - 3) -- I'm not among those that think that the current imbalance means we should never have another European civ, but I do think Eastern Europe is pretty well covered.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 20
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 26 (25 + 1) -- Beautiful art style, one of the most intricate and complex cultures in North America, and an opportunity for a growth- and culture-focused Native American civ.
Irish/Scottish 20
Kushans/Bactrians 14
Maori/Other Polynesians 18