Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Guandao]

Argentines 17
Cherokee 10
Goths (31-3)=28 Goths don't interest me as much as some of the other choices here. Basically barbarians who became "Civilized" by conquering a major vanilla Civ.
Hungarians 28
Italians 34
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9 Sorry Kanem-Bornu, I'm done defending you. I know a lost cause when I see one!
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 14
Mughals 28
Philippines (17+1)=18 This might be another lost cause like Cherokee, Kanem-Bornu, Argentina, and Lithuania/Finland, but I will still support them. They are different from the Hispanic countries in the Americas. Centuries of Spanish rule failed to wipe out the Philippine languages (including Tagalog) and even their cultures. I can see Firaxis seriously considering putting this in the game, even just to appeal to Philippine Civ players. I also wouldn't consider Philippine culture derivative of others like China's, Spain's, India's, or Indonesia's. It's a hodgepodge of those influences along with their own.

 

[Amrunril]

Argentines 18 (17 + 1) If the game's going to include colonial/post-colonial nations, Spanish-speaking South America would be a major omission. (Since this thread is primarily hypothetical, using the official civs as a baseline, I don't see the existence or quality of mods as something that needs to enter into consideration @RFormica )
Cherokee 10
Goths 28
Hungarians 28
Italians 34
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 11 (14 - 3) Lithuania would be redundant with this game's portrayal of Poland. I'd be slightly more open to FInland, but again, it's a mid-sized power in an already well represented region, and I haven't heard arguments compelling enough to outweigh this.
Mughals 28
Philippines 18

 

[Zaarin]

Argentines 18
Cherokee 10
Goths 29 (28 + 1) -- Yes, they are barbarians who got civilized by conquering a greater civilization--so are the Mongols, the Mughals, the Parthians, the Medes, the Babylonians, and many other raider-turned-civilization cultures. I'm not sure I would have cared to see the Goths in Civ5, but with Civ6's leader-focused civs, I feel like the Goths offer a lot of great leader selections, plus they just have a fascinating culture. Also an opportunity to introduce a new religion: Arianism. (Though can we add sub-sects of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism before we start carving up Christianity some more? Okay, I lied: I do think Oriental Orthodoxy should be added to the game stat; the non-Chalcedonian churches antedate the split between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism and are, IMO, a lot more interesting.)
Hungarians 28
Italians 31 (34 - 3) -- I wouldn't mind seeing Renaissance Italy added to the game, but they're not a high priority for me. Medieval Italy was mostly controlled by the HRE and Byzantium outside the Vatican (which ought to be a city-state, IMO), and post-Renaissance Italy has never amounted to much.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 11
Mughals 28
Philippines 18

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

In TSL Earth map logic, the Goths aren't a priority. Where will they start specifically? In Iberia, or Italia, or even in Poland?
Honestly, if it comes down to Goths vs Italians, I would support Italians in a heartbeat.

The earliest mention of the Goths by that or a similar name has them 'somewhere' north of Germania - but Pytheas' identification of Thule where he puts them in the 5th century BCE is vague enough that it has been located by later historians everywhere from the Faroe Islands to the Baltic coast!

The first time they can be recognizably identified as separate from the Generalized Germanic-Scandinavian, they are on the Baltic coast - according to their own tradition, around the mouth of the Vistula River. As a Starting Position that would also give them the (sort of historical) option of staying in the woods and keeping the Germanic military system of heavy infantry (Visigoths) or moving south into the western Ukraine and adopting heavy cavalry (Ostrogoths).

As to priorities, well, I'd want a chance to play either the Italian Renaissance City States or the Goths, but neither is so utterly unique as to be top of the list of Civs for the game - which is why they are in a second-generation Never Before Seen Elimination thread...

 

[God of Kings]

Philippines (17+1)=18 This might be another lost cause like Cherokee, Kanem-Bornu, Argentina, and Lithuania/Finland, but I will still support them. They are different from the Hispanic countries in the Americas. Centuries of Spanish rule failed to wipe out the Philippine languages (including Tagalog) and even their cultures. I can see Firaxis seriously considering putting this in the game, even just to appeal to Philippine Civ players. I also wouldn't consider Philippine culture derivative of others like China's, Spain's, India's, or Indonesia's. It's a hodgepodge of those influences along with their own.

Because Spaniards didn't wipe out the smaller Filipino languages, such as Cebuano and Waray-Waray, they end up overtaking the Spanish Wikipedia a few times over.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Argentines 18
Cherokee 10
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 31-3=28
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 11
Mughals 28+1=29
Philippines 18

My master plan worked! By holding off my vote I was able to raise up further support that would otherwise have gone elsewhere! Truly that was definitely my intent and I didn't just get too lazy to post on time! Anyway assuming Italy gets downvoted by someone else tomorrow I will finally take a long overdue swing at someone fresh.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Argentines 18
Cherokee 10
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 28+1=29 - I'm afraid that I cannot let the best option under 30 points.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 11-3=8 - The only thing that kind of interrests me here are Teutonic Knights, but they were an order, not a civilization.
Mughals 29
Philippines 18

 

[RFormica]

Argentines 18
Cherokee 10 - 3 = 7 Definitely not the best option for North American Native American civs. If it were Pueblo, Iriqouis, Mississipian, or Seminole, it would be a different story.
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 28+1=29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 8 + 1 = 9 Probably a lost cause, but I'll fight for it. I feel like this is an overlooked area in history, and it was actually quite significant. (Mostly fighting for Prussia and Finland right now.)
Mughals 29
Philippines 18

 

[Xandinho]

Argentines 18 + 1 = 19 Spanish America must be represented in the game, and this is the best civ for such.
Cherokee 7
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 9 - 3 = 6 Nothing against this, I'm just no more interested in it than the other names on the list.
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 29
Philippines 18

 

[Roman Citizen]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 7
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 29+1=30 What more could be said about this? A multi leader renaissance Italian would be great.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 6
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 29-3=26 India actually is one of the better done civ in the game and I still don't think we need to balkanize it, we just need more leaders for the civ.
Philippines 18

 

[Guandao]

Argentines 19
Cherokee (7-3)=4 Despite name brand recognition at least among Americans, they're not the best choice for a SE American Indian Civ.
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 30
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 6
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines (18+1)=19 I'll help it last a little while longer. For me, the country's history becomes more interesting once you go further back. And the leader choices don't need to be wearing a suit.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 4
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 30+1=31 Yep, a multi-leader Renaissance Italy would be great. It's a surprising omission thus far.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 6
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines 19-3=16 Just down voting here because I'd prefer to see the other options more.

 

[Guandao]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 4
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 30+1=31 Yep, a multi-leader Renaissance Italy would be great. It's a surprising omission thus far.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 6
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines 19-3=16 Just down voting here because I'd prefer to see the other options more.

Okay, now I hate you.... I'm calling BS, cause you don't defend Cherokee, Kanem-Bornu, and Lithuanians/Finns, but you apparently would like to see them more.
Must have had bad experiences with Filipinos, I'm guessing...I'll admit I've been duped by a Filipina in the subway before. But some of them are nice.

Returning Lurker is coming to downvote Italians again . It's so obvious they will win...

 

[luigilime]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 4-3=1 let's get this over with
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 31+1=32
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 6
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines 16

 

[Siptah]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 1
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 32
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7 (6+1) one more life for a really interesting civ that could easily fill a gameplay niche
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines 13 (16-3) fails to catch my interest

 

[God of Kings]

Argentines 19
Cherokee 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Very tragic story and they're more than just a clothing brand from Target; there's better choices for Native Americans
Goths 29
Hungarians 28
Italians 32
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 26
Philippines 13 + 1 = 14 Never underestimate the might of the Cebuano Wikipedia!

 

[Amrunril]

Argentines 19
Goths 29
Hungarians 25 (28 - 3) Not every regionally important power can make it into the game, and I haven't heard a strong argument in this one's favor.
Italians 32
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 27 (26 + 1) In a game with 20 civs, treating India as a single entity makes sense. In a game that's as likely as not to hit 50 civs once all the expansions and DLC are released, though, it makes sense for a region that large, populous and diverse to have more than one civ, and this is perhaps the most obvious addition.
Philippines 14

 

[Zaarin]

Argentines 19
Goths 29
Hungarians 25
Italians 29 (32 - 3) -- When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, maybe you should go find a good pizzeria instead of making a civ out of it.
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 28 (27 + 1) -- I'd actually like to see Anuradhapura/Sri Lanka a little bit more as something more distinct from India as it exists in game now, but the Mughals do have some terrific leader options and wouldn't be difficult at all to build a civ around.
Philippines 14

 

[The Kingmaker]

Okay, now I hate you.... I'm calling BS, cause you don't defend Cherokee, Kanem-Bornu, and Lithuanians/Finns, but you apparently would like to see them more.
Must have had bad experiences with Filipinos, I'm guessing...I'll admit I've been duped by a Filipina in the subway before. But some of them are nice.

Returning Lurker is coming to downvote Italians again . It's so obvious they will win...

Hey, take it easy. I'm just voting my preferences like anyone else.

This is just a game. A forum game about another game. It's not worth getting upset over.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Argentines 19
Goths 29+1=30
Hungarians 28
Italians 29
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 7
Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic 9
Mughals 28
Philippines 14-3=11

I'm not a spiteful man. But I am a man of two things. I am a man of my word, and I am a man who hates hubris. My word has been given, hubris has been demonstrated, and so here we are.