Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[The Kingmaker]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 11
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 22+1=23 Their cultural and religious influence has spread planet-wide at this point.
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 5
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 9-3=6 I would rather see most of these other options first.
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[conorbebe]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 11
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 23
Maori/Other Polynesians 24 (23 + 1) Give me a Māori and a Hawaiian civ, with other island nations as city-states.
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 5
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20 (23 - 3) The least interesting African civ here, and honestly I'm not prepared to give points to civs just because they're African anymore.
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 6
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Xandinho]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 20 + 1 = 21 I gave my reasons before, great African civ from an unrepresented region. And Yaa Asantewaa would be an excellent female leader.
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 11 - 3 = 8 Do not get me wrong, Bohemia would be a nice addition, but...There are many regions of the globe that are either underrepresented or completely unrepresented. And this region is already more than well represented with Germany and Poland very close to the Bohemia, this can wait. And among the civs that are on this list, I prefer to see cultures more distinct included before than more one European culture, which is why Ashanti, Benin, Maori and Hebrews are my favorit on the list.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 23
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 5
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 6
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Kimiimaro]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 8+1=9 - While I somewhat agree that European Civs can wait, I just simply cannot agree that German Civ already covers Bohemia. It doesn't, and it never will, simply because that they are too different. Germany is Germanic, Bohemia is Slavic. German is a Germanic language, Czech is a Slavic language. Also, if we don't count the WWII, Germany never directly controlled Bohemia. They have two different cultures. Also, the two states are coexistent.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 23
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 5
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 6-3=3 - If we need second Civ from this area, then the Mughal Empire is much better choice.
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Guandao]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 23
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican (5-3)=2 No matter how important they are in Mesoamerican history, there is simply not enough known about them. Is there a good Unique Unit for this Civ? Probably not. All we have is Stone heads, and being early innovators of some Mesoamerican cultural practices. I think Firaxis is shying away from actually portraying human sacrifice in Civ abilities.
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans (3+1)=4 They get a point for their role in SE Asian history
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Returning Lurker]

Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican (5-3)=2 No matter how important they are in Mesoamerican history, there is simply not enough known about them. Is there a good Unique Unit for this Civ? Probably not. All we have is Stone heads, and being early innovators of some Mesoamerican cultural practices. I think Firaxis is shying away from actually portraying human sacrifice in Civ abilities.

Aztecs "Sacrificial Captives" ability begs to differ. Also Jaguar enlaving defeated enemy units isn't particularly far off. As for UU Kongo's unique is pretty much just "We know they had sheilds and we know they worked in the jungle. Let's extrapolate". Same goes for Sumerian warcart (we know they used carts. We know nothing about how, in what role, or in what number). That didn't stop either of them nor do I think it should have. Since have recovered Olmec weapons I don't see it as any different to extrapolate for them like they did for Kongo and Sumeria in civ 6 and TONS of civs in civ 5.

 

[Morningcalm]

Algonquian (Any) 5
Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 23 + 1 = 24 (Frankly it's about time this clear candidate for religious victory had its due. Representing them as a purely ancient civ should be uncontroversial.)
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED. "Other Mesoamerican" will not save this category from elimination. Olmecs are a particularly bad civ idea due to a lack of info about their leaders, language, and a host of other factors. We know much more about Kongolese and Sumerian armies than we do for the Olmecs. Kongolese shieldbearers and Sumerian phalanxes (and three man carts) are well attested enough. Olmecs? No idea. We know about their art, but little else.
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[The Kingmaker]

Just discovered that somebody accidentally clipped off the Burmese back on page 64.

They need to be added back in with 20 pts.

 

[luigilime]

Algonquian (Any) 5-3=2 let's end this
Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Burmese 20
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 20+1=21 Main players of the silk route lovely idea for an African trading civilization, like Venice
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[God of Kings]

Algonquian (Any) 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED There's better choices for the indigenous of the Americas
Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Burmese 20
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 15 + 1 = 16 Such as this
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Potato Based]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Burmese 21 (20 + 1) A point for them because it looks like I was the one who dropped them off, sorry!
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 16
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 11 (14 -3) I'd rather see other options for SEA, like the Burmese.
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Amrunril]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Burmese 18 (21 - 3) This civ's closest in-thread neighbors, Vietnam and Tamil/Chola/Sri Lanka both declined noticably while Burma was missing, and I suspect that Burma would have done the same had it been present.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17 (16 + 1) Their success in building large population centers without large scale agriculture is exactly the sort of thing civ abilities get built around. So are their artistic tradition and their coastal trading/raiding culture. Having all three in one civ is pretty irresistible, and if that civ happens to fit into one of the franchise's largest geographical and cultural gaps, so much the better.
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 11
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Returning Lurker]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15+1=16
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9
Burmese 18-3=15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 11
Zimbabweans 12

Yeah, I feel like Burma should be removed from the pool since getting to skip weeks of voting then jump back in with a full contingent of points while other sides have suffered continued scrutiny is pretty cheap.

Nigeria was globally important, Nigeria is globally important, and all signs point to Nigeria continuing to be globally important. It's an African civ that can have abilities and uniques after the medieval era and has plenty of kingdoms to focus on and leaders to choose from.

 

[Xandinho]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 16 + 1 = 17 This still has fewer points than it should. African civilizations are very distinct and interesting.
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 9 - 3 = 6 Its region is already more than well represented, this can wait.
Burmese 15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 11
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Kimiimaro]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 6+1=7 - The double tailed lion... The heart of Europe... The Kingdom of Bohemia shall fight to the very end! (By the way, did you notice that if we don't count Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans, Bohemia is the only Civ from the third round remaining?)
Burmese 15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 18
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 4-3=1 - I want Mughals to give this area more representation. These choices are uninteresting to me.
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 11
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Guandao]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 7
Burmese 15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 24
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians (18-3)=15 Leaders aren't interesting enough, it's already in a crowded region, I guess Hebrews are too, but I prefer them instead
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 1 Uninteresting?! Ever heard of Anuradhapura/Polonnaruwa/Sigiriya? Instead you go for the later, Muslim India
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese (11+1)=12 Its got history way before the Vietnam War, they threw off Chinese yolk, resisted the Mongols, conquered Champa...
Zimbabweans 12

 

[Kimiimaro]

Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 1 Uninteresting?! Ever heard of Anuradhapura/Polonnaruwa/Sigiriya? Instead you go for the later, Muslim India

Well, with Mughals, Taj Mahal would probably return... Also, the Mughal Empire was the richest empire in the world for some time.

 

[Guandao]

Well, with Mughals, Taj Mahal would probably return... Also, the Mughal Empire was the richest empire in the world for some time.

Mughals can be folded into India

 

[The Kingmaker]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 7
Burmese 15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 24+1=25 Made for religious or cultural victory. World-famous.
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 15
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 1-3=Eliminated... Nothing against them, I just want to see the other remaining options more.
Tibetans 10
Vietnamese 12
Zimbabweans 12

(By the way, did you notice that if we don't count Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans, Bohemia is the only Civ from the third round remaining?

That doesn't particularly surprise me. We were starting to scrape the barrel by the time we got to Round 3, so it makes sense that people have voted out most of those options already.

 

[luigilime]

Armenians 19
Ashanti 21-3=18 it's probably the least I want from Africa
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 17
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 7
Burmese 15
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 21
Georgians 15
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 17
Hebrews 25
Maori/Other Polynesians 24
Phoenicians 15
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tibetans 10+1=11 giving a little life to Tibet
Vietnamese 12
Zimbabweans 12