Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Xandinho]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 19
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 14
Burmese 12
Carthaginians 20
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 17 + 1 = 18 I am inclined to defend this, since, for me, the most interesting African civ after the Egyptians. I see Ethiopia as those civs obligatory in the game regardless of the combination of civs to be included.
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 20 - 3= 17 While I would really like to see Hungary in the game, I feel Europe overcrowded now, and I do not think Hungary is a more priority inclusion than the other European civs on the list: Portugal, the Netherlands and Italy.
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Mughals 5
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 15
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 19+1=20 I'm content to leave them at 20 for now, but I'll defend the MVP of the Ancient Near East vociferously.
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 14
Burmese 12
Carthaginians 20
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 18
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Mughals 5-3=2 More of a ruling dynasty than an actual tribe, really.
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 15
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 14
Burmese 12
Carthaginians 20+1=21 - I await their return. Being a really big personality and very capable suffet, Hannibal Barca is a perfect choice for Carthagianian leader.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 18
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Mughals 2-3=1 (ELIMINATED) - Let's end their suffering. Would fit better as alternate leaders for India.
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 15
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Guandao]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) (14+1)=15 I think either these or Ashanti deserve a spot to represent the West African coastal states. Ever heard of the Benin Bronzes so valued by Western Museums? Or of Voodoo? Land area doesn't mean squat, and they both influenced their respective modern countries (Benin is one of the most democratic African nations), as well as the culture of descendants scattered across the Americas. Plus Ewuare would look so cool and different in the leaderscreen.
Burmese 12
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 18 Someone downvoted Ethiopia? lol, I think Ethiopia should be a Civ mainstay.
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa (15-3)=12 They lack well-attested leaders (only option is the supposed founder of Kilwa, a Persian Prince), and have an Arabized culture (which makes them a little less interesting in my eyes). Their trade mechanics can be taken by other Civs.
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 12
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 18 + 1 = 19 (One of the most important and recognizable African kingdoms was that of Aksum. Also, Ethiopia is regarded by many as where humanity originated.)
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21 - 3 = 18. (As oft mentioned in this thread before, my view is that these civilizations lack well-attested leaders who did more than capture a few ships or have Caucasian Americans manipulate their words and legacy (see, e.g., the earlier discussion on Chief Joseph).
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 12
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Zaarin]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 9 (12 - 3) -- There are better options for SEA.
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 19 -- I agree, the Ethiopians should be a staple.
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19 (18 + 1) -- Tsk, tsk, downvoting the Haida already.
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 12
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[conorbebe]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 9
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 19 -- I agree, the Ethiopians should be a staple.
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22 (21 + 1) This region will always be my personal favourite.
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17
Swahili/Kilwa 9 (12 - 3) Least interesting of the potential African civilisations, and I agree with Guandao on the Arabisation point.
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Roman Citizen]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 9+1=10 Come on, Burma has some very big personality leaders in it's history like Anawrahta, Bayinnaung, and Alungpaya. Burma doesn't deserve to fall this fast and of the four southeast Asian options we have I prefer Burma
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 19 -- I agree, the Ethiopians should be a staple.
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 17-3=14 I prefer Burma over a return of Siam.
Swahili/Kilwa 9
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[luigilime]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15-3=12 not that appealing to me
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 17
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 20+1=21 this one should have been in the game a long time ago
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa 9
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Amrunril]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 13 (12 + 1) Disappointed to see so many downvotes for the new African options. This is an incredibly diverse continent that's only ever been represented by a handful of civs (primarily those noted for their interactions with Europe), and Benin, Ashanti and Swahili would all be great ways of branching out.
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 14 (17 - 3) In most regions, civs cycle out from game to game. I think this a good way of adding variety to the game's lineup, and I don't think Europe should be an exception. The Netherlands does have the salient appeal of being a good potential terraforming civ, but sadly I haven't seen evidence that that's any more possible in VI than it was in V, so it makes sense to save the Netherlands for when it is an option.
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21
Portuguese 20
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa 9
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Xandinho]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 13
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 21 + 1 = 22 One of the greatest empires in history
Portuguese 20
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa 9 - 3 = 6 Among the African nations on the list, I'm not particularly interested in this.
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 13+1=14 - Falls waaay too fast. Benin is a very nice choice for an African Civs, and African Civs are needed.
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 20
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 19
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 20
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa 6-3=3 - They seem to be next, so let's end their suffering. There are better choices for African Civs.
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Siptah]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 14
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17 (20-3) They just won a round, so maybe they should drop fast this time. Also not too much interested in NA civs.
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 20 (19+1) I know the Incas and Aztecs are fan favorites, but to me both pale in comparison to the Maya. The most impressive Native American civ of all time in my eyes and one of the few civs here that I'd call 'needed'.
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 20
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa 3
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Guandao]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) (14+1)=15 I'm given my reasons for supporting them before. West African coastal history has been ignored for far too long.
Burmese 10 Seems a shame they will go soon
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 20 Seems weird nobody has downvoted the Portuguese, especially compared with Netherlands...
Siamese 14
Swahili/Kilwa (3-3)=0 Eliminated! With the leader focus, they won't work as well as the other African Civs here.
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

Seems like some of my favorites are going down fast...all from non-European parts of the world

 

[The Kingmaker]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 19
Hebrews 20+1=21 The wait has been far too long.
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 20-3=17 I'll give Portugal a downvote. Personally, I don't think civs should be "cycled out" at all. Over the next couple years, I think we should get all of our old favorites back + a few more exciting new additions. That being said, Portugal can wait until XP2 since Europe is so full.
Siamese 14
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Zaarin]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 15
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 20 (19 + 1) -- Indigenous North America is currently completely unrepresented in the game, and someone new with a completely different playstyle would be highly refreshing.
Hebrews 21
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 19 (22 - 3) -- I'd like to see them eventually but don't consider them a high priority.
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 17
Siamese 14
Tibetans 20
Vietnamese 20

 

[Guatenadian]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12 (15-3) Believe me I want a West African coastal civilisation I just think the Ashanti should take up that mantle before Benin.
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 20
Hebrews 21
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 19
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 17
Siamese 14
Tibetans 21 (20+1) A unique Civ hidden away in the mountains that would fill up that empty space in Asia real nice.
Vietnamese 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 20
Hebrews 21
Hittites 21
Hungarians 17 - 3 = 14 (Just about the last civ we need representation-wise right now is YET ANOTHER European civ.)
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 19 + 1 = 20 (An underrepresented region with a lot of flavor. They could have military, exploration, culture and food-based bonuses.)
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 17
Siamese 14
Tibetans 21
Vietnamese 20

 

[Amrunril]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21 (20 + 1) A distinct and iconic artistic tradition, major population centers supported without large scale agriculture, and all of in a region that's new to the franchise, on a continent that's virtually unrepresented in the current edition.
Hebrews 21
Hittites 21
Hungarians 11 (14 - 3) I would prefer adding a new European civ like Hungary to bringing back Austria or Sweden, but I don't think any European civ should be a priority until the Americas, Africa and Southeast Asia have been seriously fleshed out.
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 17
Siamese 14
Tibetans 21
Vietnamese 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Armenians 20
Ashanti 20
Babylonians 20
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 12+1=13 - It falls simply too much fast.
Burmese 10
Carthaginians 21
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 17
Dutch 14
Ethiopians 19
Georgians 21
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW 21-3=18 - Sadly, I think both Iroquois and Creek are more suitable and better choices to represent Native Americans.
Hebrews 21
Hittites 21
Hungarians 11
Incas 22
Iroquois 21
Italians 21
Khmer 20
Koreans 21
Malians 21
Maori/Other Polynesians 20
Mayans 20
Mongols 21
Ottoman Turks 22
Portuguese 17
Siamese 14
Tibetans 21
Vietnamese 20