Again, my issue isn't specifically choosing a horse-raiding culture (though I certainly disprefer it in light of their overexposure in pop culture), but specifically the Apache. The Apache were insignificant even in their own region; if we're going to choose a horse-raiding culture, it ought to be one that at least had some influence on its region, like the Blackfoot or the Nez Perce (either of which definitely has some great leader choices, incidentally). Just...not the Sioux. Please not the Sioux. The Sioux have had more than their fair share of the limelight, and more for fighting a few wars with the US than for any actual accomplishments. (I wouldn't mind seeing Yankton Dakota author and activist Zitkala-Ša as a Great Writer, though. I wrote a paper on her in college, and I rather enjoyed her works, especially her [somewhat fictionalized] autobiography American Indian Stories.)
Argentines 20
Berbers/Tuareg 6
Cherokee 17
Goths 31 (30 + 1) -- Oooh, a threeway tie among the Goths, Hungarians, and Italians. Would someone be so kind as to downvote the Italians again so that the Hungarians and Goths can co-lead?
Hungarians 31
Italians 31
Kanem Bornu/Other Saharan 19
Mitanni/Hurrians 5
Mughals 30
Philippines 25 (28 - 3) -- Their postcolonial history has been uniformly uninteresting, and their precolonial history is eclipsed by their neighbors.
Timurids/Other Central Asia 5
....I wouldn't count the nations in Mainland SE Asia (Khmer, Vietnam, Siam, Burma) as close neighbors of the Philippines. Perhaps Indonesia's history does eclipse the Philippines.
with Mughals being the exception, though many want them folded under India. The Goths don't strike me as too unique except for their extinct language, classified as Eastern Germanic. They emulated the Western Roman Empire they helped to destroy. A better choice for Civ than the Huns, for sure. Hungary (aka the Magyars) is also interesting linguistically, though they borrowed much of their culture from their Indo-European neighbors after settling down in present day Hungary. Some argue Italy is represented by Rome, I personally disagree. Renaissance Italy is different enough from the Roman Empire.
Don't forget that two of the ten largest Wikipedias are Filipino languages! One of those two is closely approaching English!I knew this day would come....How much of an expert are you on the Philippines and its history? Being ruled by Spain for centuries makes the history boring? And what do you mean their precolonial history is eclipsed by their neighbors? You mean Indonesia? Malays? I wouldn't count the nations in Mainland SE Asia as close neighbors of the Philippines. I'm always disappointed by Firaxis' failure to acknowledge that most Southeast Asian nations have histories as long as many European countries. Several Philippine languages were written in Indic scripts borrowed from a period way before the Spanish came. There were several states existing before and at the time Magellan came.
Hungary, Goths, and Italy being in the lead is proof of rampant Euro-centrism among Civilization game fans....
