Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Kimiimaro]

Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 16 How is this so much higher than Czechs and Bulgaria/Romania? I think Kievan Rus can be folded into Russia...

You know, first some people decided that Bohemia is more worthy of being a City-State than a Civ and then Manifold reappeared . About Balkans, I can understand that people are annoyed with seeing them since we already have three Greeces.

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 12+1=13 - A great and quite influental Civ with interresting history, known language and several good leaders.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 6
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 22
Irish/Scottish 15-3=12 - I'd like to see Celts again, but not as a blob Civ, but as some tribe, and I have the feeling that Gauls are better choice for such tribe.
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 7
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 15
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 16
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[UkrNixon]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 6-3=3 (Balkans are the new Western Europe)
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 22
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 7
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 15
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 16+1=17 (The reason is literally in my nickname)
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Xandinho]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 13 + 1 = 14 I think they should not be falling now
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 3
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 22
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 7
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 15 - 3 = 12 I love Mesoamerican culture, but I think the Olmecs are too obscure to be a civ.
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 17
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Potato Based]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 3
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 23 (22 + 1) Many of the options on this list have been dominated by their larger neighbors, the Hebrews are no exception. The legacy of the ancient Israel, however, outmatches them all.
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4 (7 - 3) We don't know anything about their leaders or language as others have said.
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 17
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[The Kingmaker]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 3-3=0 Just pushing them off the ledge.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 23+1=24 Huge legacy. Religious and cultural powerhouse. More famous than 75% of the civs that have already been included in civ games.
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 17
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[luigilime]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 13+1=14 maybe I was too harsh, they really are worthy of civilization being a mixture of Indian and Chinese and could be a cool mountain civ, I'll give them a chance in this elimination thread that can't have for the real game
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 17-3=14 why is this so high? Three different civs represent this area: Poland conquered a huge chunk of Ukraine throughout history, Russia held Ukraine till nearly 30 years ago,and scythia once settled in the Ukrainian plains, and besides the Cossacks are Russia's unique unit and the Kievan rus were the ancestors of Russia that didn't do a lot besides getting destroyed by the Mongols. I'd rather have it all under Russia. Sorry Ukraine I know you don't like Russia at the moment.
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Guandao]

Algonquian (Any) 15
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4 Why does Muisca have to be included among them? They are pretty well documented, both in history and language....don't believe me? Ask Leugi....
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 14
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks (14-3)=11 Kievan Rus can be folded into Russia, Cossack state was very brief, and Ukraine as an independent nation hasn't really been around long.
Vietnamese (15+1)=16 I think there's more to Vietnamese history than the Vietnam war, after nearly a millennium of Chinese rule (during which two female led rebellions occurred), the Vietnamese kicked them out and established their own series of dynasties. They also resisted the Mongols successfully, and conquered their southern neighbor Champa. Then the French took over, and the rest is pretty familiar history for Americans. One could fault them for not having an Indianized Culture like Khmer, Siam, or Burma, but I don't think that's a good argument against their inclusion.
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Roman Citizen]

Algonquian (Any) 15-3=12 of the three native north america civ option we have here I think this one is the weakest.
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4+1=5 I think the Muisca makes this spot worth it.
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 14
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Zaarin]

I won't have access to internet for a week. Just FYI.

Algonquian (Any) 13 (12 + 1) -- Powhatan had more than forty tribes in his confederacy.
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 4+1=5 I think the Muisca makes this spot worth it.
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12
Phoenicians 20 (23 - 3) -- At one time I was a proponent of their inclusion, but in retrospect they don't work well as a civ. They lack any leaders of note, and they were far exceeded in significance by their colony Carthage. I'd welcome the return of Tyre, Sidon, and Byblos as city-states, though.
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 14
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Returning Lurker]

Algonquian (Any) 13
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 12
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 12+1=13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 14-3=11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

I genuinely would be voting for my other two favorites on this list, maybe tossing a vote or two to the Algonquians, but since my other favorites are doing just fine and these are floating lowest in the water my hands are tied. I must triage as necessary, I'm sure you've all done likewise before.

I both prefer Nepal and I still don't feel that voting for a side that has very little chance at inclusion due to political backlash even in a hypothetical environment is an interesting proposition as, even if by some random miracle Firaxis did look at the forums to gauge community interest, having an impossible side win a popularity contest isn't helpful for affecting their decision making. Yes other 4X games have had Tibet, but none as popular and none as... Concerned Over Whether A Ruling Demographic Likes You... as Firaxis.

 

[NAXAR]

Algonquian (Any) (14+1)=15 A good alternate to having Iroquois return again. Firaxis seems scared to put more historical Iroquois leaders in the game, possibly because they fought the Americans in the revolutionary war. I don't want Hiawatha again, and the Algonquians are a good alternate to represent Northeast North America.
Anasazi/Navajo/Other SW NA (5-3)=2 Should have gone before Malagasy, they are not worthy to be in the game. Mainly because of lack of known leaders, and Navajo being atypical of an American Southwest culture.
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 11
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 6
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 19
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 15
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 10
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 17 Olmecs being the mother culture of Mesoamerica is a misconception, read 1491, Mayas came about around the same time, and perhaps others too
Phoenicians 23
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 23
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 17
Tibetans 13
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 16 How is this so much higher than Czechs and Bulgaria/Romania? I think Kievan Rus can be folded into Russia...
Vietnamese 14
Zimbabweans 17

Folded into russia? Are you f****** kidding me? If anything, russia should be folded into the Kievan Rus. The Kievan Rus was way more prominent, but then those lieing people of moscow came along after the mongol invasion and decided to claim all for themselves. Also the Algonquin were more of a group of tribes than a fully fledged civ? Also Czechs should just be folded into germany. It makes sense.

Oh, and yes, I am being salty.

 

[Amrunril]

Algonquian (Any) 13
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 9 (12 - 3) Medieval to Modern Western European states aren't exactly a civ category that the game is currently short on, and I wouldn't even rate these as the highest priorities within that category. It's also worth noting that while these are certainly distinct from England, they probably have more in common with it than the civs within many of this thread's "x/y/other z" options have with one another.
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 24 (23 + 1) Even with the addition of Nubia, Africa has a ton of diversity that the game doesn't come close to representing, and an Indian Ocean trade civ would be a culturally, geographically and mechanically distinct addition.
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 11
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Zaarin]

Also the Algonquin were more of a group of tribes than a fully fledged civ?

The point of the category is to pick one (or more), since there are quite a few Algonquian* tribes worthy of consideration: Powhatan, Cree, Blackfoot, Algonquin, Cheyenne, Arapaho, etc. (I don't think I'd care to see the Cheyenne, Arapaho, or Algonquin; but if we must have a Plains or Plateau tribe, the Blackfoot wouldn't be a bad choice; and I'd love to see either the Powhatan or Cree. The former were one of the most powerful confederacies in North America, and Powhatan assembled his confederacy without gunpowder, unlike the Iroquois, who were a second-rate power in the region before the Dutch armed them. The Cree, of course, dominated the fur trade, but they don't have the obvious leader choice that the Powhatan have.)

*The Algonquin are a tribe and the traditional enemies of the Iroquois; the Algonquians are all the different tribes who speak an Algonquian language, the most widely spoken language family in North America (in terms of geography, not numbers--I'm pretty certain Athabaskan has Algonquian beat on that front with Navajo alone). Algonquian languages are or were spoken from the Rockies to the Atlantic coast, from the Arctic in the north to the Carolinas in the south.

 

[The Kingmaker]

The point of the category is to pick one (or more), since there are quite a few Algonquian* tribes worthy of consideration: Powhatan, Cree, Blackfoot, Algonquin, Cheyenne, Arapaho, etc. (I don't think I'd care to see the Cheyenne, Arapaho, or Algonquin; but if we must have a Plains or Plateau tribe, the Blackfoot wouldn't be a bad choice; and I'd love to see either the Powhatan or Cree. The former were one of the most powerful confederacies in North America, and Powhatan assembled his confederacy without gunpowder, unlike the Iroquois, who were a second-rate power in the region before the Dutch armed them. The Cree, of course, dominated the fur trade, but they don't have the obvious leader choice that the Powhatan have.)

*The Algonquin are a tribe and the traditional enemies of the Iroquois; the Algonquians are all the different tribes who speak an Algonquian language, the most widely spoken language family in North America (in terms of geography, not numbers--I'm pretty certain Athabaskan has Algonquian beat on that front with Navajo alone). Algonquian languages are or were spoken from the Rockies to the Atlantic coast, from the Arctic in the north to the Carolinas in the south.

You do realize of course that if we do get the Powhatan at some point, Firaxis will most assuredly give us Pocahontas as the leader...

 

[luigilime]

Folded into russia? Are you f****** kidding me? If anything, russia should be folded into the Kievan Rus. The Kievan Rus was way more prominent, but then those lieing people of moscow came along after the mongol invasion and decided to claim all for themselves. Also the Algonquin were more of a group of tribes than a fully fledged civ? Also Czechs should just be folded into germany. It makes sense.

Oh, and yes, I am being salty.

Isn't it the same thing? Russia folded into the Kievan Rus or the Kievan rus folded into Russia? If that's so they'll definitely use the more catchy name of Russia no matter what, if you find a good leader then probably I'll start downvoting something else but for now it's the least appealing of the list

 

[UkrNixon]

Saying Kievan Rus can be folded into Russia is like saying Byzantium and Italy can be folded into Rome, lol
They have the same relation as England and USA, or Rome and it's former territories like France and Germany. As in, the latter was influenced bu the former, but aside from a brief period of the latter being a colony/border region of the former, and a bit of a cultural influence of the former on the latter, they have very little in common.
And also, russian cossacks have next to nothing in common with ukrainian cossacks apart from the name. Russia actively fought and eventually destroyed ukrainian cossack state and its capital, Sich. Plus, russian cossacks, or rather the division of russian army that was called so, were mostly cavalry, and ukrainian cossacks, while being formidable horse riders, were much more famous for their infantry.
As for leaders, Yaroslav the Wise of Kiev made Kievan Rus into Eastern European superpower, and married his sons and daughters to many european monarchs. His daughter, Anna of Kiev, Queen of France, wife of Henry I, is still remembered fondly in both Ukraine and France.
Yaroslav's great grandmother, Olga of Kiev, was the first female ruler of Rus, as well as the kingdom's first christian ruler. She popularized Christianity, which eventually led to her grandson, Vladimir the Great, father of Yaroslav (obviously), to baptize the Rus. Vladimir also married Anna, sister of Byzantium's emperor Basil II, so that actually makes Kiev, not Moscow, the true Third Rome.

/end of rant

 

[UkrNixon]

Sorry for the double post, but it's the time I can vote, sooo yeah

Algonquian (Any) 13
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 9-3=6 (Unfortunately, there is no perfect solution to the whole Celtic blob debacle)
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 24
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 11+1=12 (I will defend this no matter what)
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Xandinho]

Algonquian (Any) 13 - 3 = 10 I'm not very interested
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 22
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 6
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 5 + 1 = 6 I am disappointed that this fell so fast, Muisca could make a good civ native to South America
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 24
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 12
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 17

 

[Potato Based]

Algonquian (Any) 10
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23 (22 + 1) I personally find them the most interesting of the Native Americans on this list.
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 6
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 6
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 24
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 12
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14 (17 - 3) I'd rather see the Swahili or the other African options.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Folded into russia? Are you f****** kidding me? If anything, russia should be folded into the Kievan Rus. The Kievan Rus was way more prominent, but then those lieing people of moscow came along after the mongol invasion and decided to claim all for themselves. Also the Algonquin were more of a group of tribes than a fully fledged civ? Also Czechs should just be folded into germany. It makes sense.

I guess you are Ukrainian? If yes, I can understand that you are upset that your homeland goes fast down - I'm Czech, and I'm also not happy that my homeland is so low. But about that Bohemia should be folded into Germany - I'm sorry, but it simply doesn't make sense. Except for some times when Celtic and Germanic tribes lived there, Bohemia was occupied by Slavs. Germany is occupied by Germanic people. Both countries have completely different languages, quite different culture, etc. They are different, and not very similar. If you said that Bohemia should be folded into Poland, I would disagree, since both countries coexist and, if we don't count short periods when one king from either country reigned over both countries, weren't unified and didn't control each other, but it would make much bigger sense, since they are quite similar. I guess that people think that Russia and Kievan Rus should be unified in game is because they know both are/were Slavic people, both have similar languages and both have quite similar culture. Also Kievan Rus is nonexistent today.

Algonquian (Any) 10
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 18
Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia 14+1=15 - It's still too low. Bohemia was an important country in Central Europe, and it's importance can be easily proved by fact that Bohemian king was one of the seven electors of the Holy Roman Emperor, but Bohemia didn't have practically any other obligation in the HRE. It was one of the most valuable parts of Austria-Hungary and after WWI, it was one of the richest and most industrial countries in the whole world.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 12
Georgians 22
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 20
Hebrews 24
Irish/Scottish 6-3=3 - I really want Celtic Civ to return, but prefer Gauls to represent them.
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean 6
Nepalese 18
Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican 13
Phoenicians 20
Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen 17
Swahili/Kilwa 24
Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans 18
Tibetans 11
Ukrainians/Kievan Rus/Cossacks 12
Vietnamese 16
Zimbabweans 14