Never Before Seen Leader Elimination

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Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 22
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 27 -3 = 24. Can afford to take a bit of a haircut.
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 14
Georges Clemenceau (France) 17 + 1 = 18. More than just a WWI leader. Clemenceau was a political force throughout the Belle Epoque either directly as a member of the government or indirectly as publisher and writer of highly influential political newspapers. But yes his Agenda would be revanchism.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 17
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 1
Meiji (Japan) 22
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 15
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 22 + 1 = 23 He reformed Egypt's notoriously ultra-conservative society
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 24
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 14
Georges Clemenceau (France) 18
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 17
Marcus Aurelius (Rome) 1 - 1 = ELIMINATED I prefer Julius or Augustus Caesar
Meiji (Japan) 22
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 15
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 24+1=25 Would be so thrilled to see him.
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 14-3=11 Less likely if for no other reason than the fact that there are so many Moorish leaders with this name that are likely to lead Morocco/Andalusia.
Georges Clemenceau (France) 18
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 17
Meiji (Japan) 22
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 15
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 25
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 11
Georges Clemenceau (France) (18-3)=15 He comes from a period of French history I have zero interest in.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 17
Meiji (Japan) 22
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) (15+1)=16 I'm interested in the Sassanids more than the Parthians. There seems to be a lack of info about the Parthian Kings, plus Parthian language is not well attested. Middle Persian (the language of the Sassanids) is.
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 25
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 11 - 3 = 8 I prefer Muawiya as second leader for Arabia this time
Georges Clemenceau (France) 15
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 17 + 1 = 18 We need non Samurai leader for Japan, Ancient Emperors seem ok
Meiji (Japan) 22
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 16
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 25
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 8
Georges Clemenceau (France) 15
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 18
Meiji (Japan) 22+1=23 - Yes please. This man is the best choice for non-Samurai leader. During his reign, Japan has opened its borders and it became an industrial superpower that beated Russia and China. Now that's efficiency!
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 16
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 17-3=14 - Sorry Jefferson, but what would be your bonus if Founding Fathers is already UA of America? And why should we pick you before Lincoln or Washington?
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 25+1=26 Such a terrific option.
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 8-3=5 Name overlaps with Moorish choices.
Georges Clemenceau (France) 15
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 18
Meiji (Japan) 23
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 16
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 20 + 1 = 21 An Islamic Persian leader would be welcome
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 5
Georges Clemenceau (France) 15 - 3 = 12 The history of France is long, there is no reason to include a leader of the last century.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 18
Meiji (Japan) 23
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 16
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 5
Georges Clemenceau (France) 12
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 19 (18+1) more ancient leaders
Meiji (Japan) 20 (23-0) see above
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 16
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 5
Georges Clemenceau (France) (12-3)=9 Not interested in this part of French history.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 19
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) (16+1)=17 It's about time Civ introduced a Sassanid leader. I'm getting bored of the Achaemenids.
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 5
Georges Clemenceau (France) 9 + =10. One more time for Clemenceau. France was a cultural power during his time.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 19
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 23 - -3 = 20. Could be an issue with the Shia.
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 5-3=2 Their are many Al-Mansurs, but I prefer the Moroccan sultan that appeared in civ 5 over the Abbasid Caliph.
Georges Clemenceau (France) 10+1=11 I am torn on making my choice on Prime minister Clemenceau. On one hand I'm more in favor of the more pragmatic and practical President Raymond Poincare, on the other I think we should go with the ideologue populist agenda driven Clemenceau who fought what the french people felt was right and was right. I ultimately feel that Clemenceau makes for sense for what this game is design for and am in open arms for his appearance if he so appears in the game.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 19
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 2
Georges Clemenceau (France) 12 (11+1) ww1 tank LUU and Agenda and LUA: Laïcité (Separation of church and state)
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16 (19-3) what was is impact again?
Meiji (Japan) 20
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 2
Georges Clemenceau (France) 12
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 20+1=21 - Yes!
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 14-3=11 - No.
 
Abbas I (Persia) 21 + 1 = 22 I want an Islamic Persian leader
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 2
Georges Clemenceau (France) 12 - 3 = 9 I have given my reasons, there is no reason to include a french leader of the last century. French history is very long.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 11
 
Abbas I (Persia) 22
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 26+1=27 really hoping for this.
Al-Mansur (Arabia) 2-3=-1 *eliminated*
Georges Clemenceau (France) 9
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 11
 
Abbas I (Persia) 22
Akbar (India) 18
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 27
Georges Clemenceau (France) (9-3)=6 Just a Bismarck looking guy in a black suit, yawns...
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) (11+1)=12 He's a decent alternative to George as an early American leader. Very scientific kind of guy.
 
Stepping in because I note Akhenaten at 23 (?!?!?)

Abbas I (Persia) 22
Akbar (India) 18 + 1 = 19 (This guy would be an excellent culture/military leader counterpoint to Gandhi, and more different than say Ashoka (who should replace Gandhi's peaceful role in future games))
Akhenaten (Egypt) 23 - 3 = 20 (Failed foreign policy, and reviled by almost all Egyptians to the point where he was struck off the kings list and his monuments defaced and destroyed, etc. Yes, Akhenaten made unique art and montheistic faith. But he neglected so many other duties as leader, and the Hittites ran circles around him in particular. If they put him on Civ rankings in future, he should be near the bottom. I hate Akhenaten, even though he is definitely a *unique* Egyptian leader, in much the same way that many bad rulers in history would be *unique*)
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 27
Georges Clemenceau (France) 6
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 12
 
Abbas I (Persia) 22
Akbar (India) 19
Akhenaten (Egypt) 20
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 27
Georges Clemenceau (France) 6 + 1 =7. You can use the Manet painting for a younger version of Clemenceau if you think he would look too much like Bismarck.
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 12 - 3 =9. Would work better as a great politician if they had those.
 
Abbas I (Persia) 22
Akbar (India) 19
Akhenaten (Egypt) 20+1=21 Best option for a second egyptian leader.
Alexander II (Russia) 18
Alfred the Great (England) 27
Georges Clemenceau (France) 7
Ivan III The Great (Russia) 22
Kanmu (Japan) 16
Meiji (Japan) 21
Muʿāwiya I (Arabia) 20
Shah Jahan (India) 22
Shapur II (Persia) 17-3=14 Out of all the leaders we have on the list, he interests me the least.
Taizong (China) 20
Thomas Jefferson (America) 9
 
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