Never before seen wonders II - Elimination Thread

[Roman Citizen]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 24-3=21 While this structure is impressive with it's age, the Milan Cathedral above it is more impressive.
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Luxor Temple - 4
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 25
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 3+1=4 I regretted calling Monk's mound "a pile of dirt" and now I wanted to upvote this right before it's demise.

 

[Guandao]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 21
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Luxor Temple - (4-3)=1 Making sure one of the beloved stone structures bites the dust before Serpent Mound. It's better off as a unique visual for the Egyptian holy site.
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 25
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - (4+1)=5 Giving it some support before annihilation by the stone-obsessed Czech.

 

[Siptah]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 22 (21+1) I love this architectural style. I adored it in the Mainz Cathedral for years and am happy to see the original one on the list. It's not that famous a building though.
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Luxor Temple - 1 [personally a bit sad to see it go since I love the combination of Egyptian Temple, Church and Mosque it is today and that the main festival of the temple is still held today (Opet, but now disguised as Festival for Abu Haggag - If you ever have a chance to see it, do it). I think it is the only monument I visited each time on my many trips to Egypt.]
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22 (25-3) It owns its fame to the fact that archeologists chose to reconstruct this one instead of the two other neighboring temples and so it is a landmark today. I think Mentuhotep II's Mortuary Temple would be more impressive (and more important architecturally anyway).
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 5

 

[God of Kings]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 22
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Luxor Temple - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Overrated: note that the Egypt-themed casino in Las Vegas is named after Luxor
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 5 + 1 = 6 Vastly underrated

 

[Manifold]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 19 (22-3) not known well
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 7 (6+1) I heart about it before

 

[Morningcalm]

Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22 (25-3) It owns its fame to the fact that archeologists chose to reconstruct this one instead of the two other neighboring temples and so it is a landmark today. I think Mentuhotep II's Mortuary Temple would be more impressive (and more important architecturally anyway).

I disagree re: the impressiveness. The reconstructed sketch of Mentuhotep II's Mortuary Temple shows an oddly situated triangular pyramid, Louvre-style, on top of ramps. It looks like a Pyramid-wannabe, and lacks the elegance of Hatshepsut's Temple. While Hatshepsut's architect Senenmut may have drawn inspiration from Mentuhotep's Mortuary Temple, I think Hatshepsut's Mortuary Temple is more impressive--it's also notably more impressive than some of the structures remaining on this list.

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 18 - 3 = 15 (While I am fond of these, I am not given to believe they need be in the game, especially given this gigantic Japanese Buddha statue which is arguably more iconic and was featured in Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties)
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 19
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22 + 1 = 23 (An impressively elegant structure, and a lesser known Egyptian wonder that continues to draw tourists).
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 7

 

[Guatenadian]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 15
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 19
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 20 (23-3) I want another wonder that's not from the Nile Region.
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 8 (7+1) Not giving up on you now!

 

[Zaarin]

I wish someone would teach Manifold how to Google.

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 12 (15 - 3) -- There are more interesting Buddha statues, their unusual location notwithstanding.
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 20 (19 + 1) -- Oldest cathedral in the world, unlike any other wonder in game, heart of the Armenian Apostolic Church, and would look beautiful on the map.
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 20 -- We only have one wonder from Egypt, a land renowned for its many wonders; IMO its a region that makes sense to have multiple wonders from. Again, the Great Library and Great Lighthouse were Hellenistic wonders that could have been built anywhere in the Hellenistic world; I wouldn't call them Egyptian, even if they happen to have been located in Egypt.
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14
Serpent Mound - 8

 

[Guatenadian]

@Zaarin You make some good points, however I said Nile Region not just Egypt, remember we have Jebel Barkal now too. While the Great Lighthouse and Great Library could've been built anyway in the Hellenistic World they were built in Egypt and thus we have (in my opinion) more than enough wonders from that region. I would prefer we have more wonder representation from say Korea and other underrepresented wonder areas. But thats just my two cents.

 

[Xandinho]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 12
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 20
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 20 + 1 = 21 Because a civ known for having many wonders can not just have the Pyramids in game. Considering Great Library and Great Lighthouse as Hellenistic wonders.
Royal Palace of Palenque - 14 - 3 = 11 Mesoamerica already has two wonders. And unless it is the Pyramid of the Sun, I prefer to wait a little longer to have another wonder of this region.
Serpent Mound - 8

 

[Zaarin]

@Zaarin You make some good points, however I said Nile Region not just Egypt, remember we have Jebel Barkal now too. While the Great Lighthouse and Great Library could've been built anyway in the Hellenistic World they were built in Egypt and thus we have (in my opinion) more than enough wonders from that region. I would prefer we have more wonder representation from say Korea and other underrepresented wonder areas. But thats just my two cents.

I'd love to see a Korean wonder as well (which I don't think has ever happened in Civ before), but I also don't really see the issue in having multiple wonders from regions known for being wondrous, like Egypt and France.

 

[Kimiimaro]

If the Great Lighthouse and the Great Library are practically Greek wonders, does the Statue of Liberty count as a French wonder?

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 12
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 20
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 21
Royal Palace of Palenque - 11+1=12 - Definitely should survive longer than the Serpent Mound.
Serpent Mound - 8-3=5 - The "stone-obsessed Czech" is back to strike this least interesting wonder once again

 

[Zaarin]

If the Great Lighthouse and the Great Library are practically Greek wonders, does the Statue of Library count as a French wonder?

Well, if you're asking my opinion, the answer is no...it doesn't count as a wonder at all. Great Work of Sculpture...maybe. In which case, yes, it's definitely French.

As for the Great Lighthouse and Great Library, they were built by Hellenes in the Hellenistic style; there's nothing Egyptian about them except their coincidental location in Alexandria, a Hellenistic city. A much better analogy might be asking if Broadway is a Native American wonder because it's located in America...

 

[Guandao]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 12 What Buddha statues are better than this, might I ask?
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 20
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 21
Royal Palace of Palenque -(12-3)=9 Mesoamerica has two wonders already, plus this is equivalent to a palace in Maya's capital
Serpent Mound - 5+1=6 Native North America needs a wonder

 

[Xandinho]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 12 What Buddha statues are better than this, might I ask?

The Avukana Buddha statue in Sri Lanka seems to me to be agreeable as well, although it is much smaller in size than the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Anyway, I would like to have a Buddha statue in the game.

 

[Manifold]

I wish someone would teach Manifold how to Google.
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 20 (19 + 1) -- Oldest cathedral in the world, unlike any other wonder in game, heart of the Armenian Apostolic Church, and would look beautiful on the map.

I thought you have realized that your wikipedia source is not correct

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 13 (12+1) @luigilime: I'd like to see them immortalised in the game so they won't be forgotten since they were destroyed
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 17 (20-3) Definitely not a complicated man made construction and not a ww just because it is only the Armenian main church.
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 21
Royal Palace of Palenque - 9
Serpent Mound - 6

 

[Morningcalm]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 13 - 3 = 10 (There are better Buddha statues; I linked to a particularly iconic one often used as a symbol of Japan (and featured in Age of Empires III: The Asian Dynasties); moreover, statues in general just don't scream world wonder to me, even those of Brazil and the U.S.)
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 17
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 21 + 1 = 22 (Egyptian wonders deserve to be in Civilization, especially since we're all likely tired of seeing the Pyramids in-game.)
Royal Palace of Palenque - 9
Serpent Mound - 6

 

[Zaarin]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 7 (10 - 3) -- Onward to its inevitable downfall, then.
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 18 (17 + 1) -- I wonder if I should take Manifold's word for it or that of actual Armeniological and Christological scholars? As much as I'd love to see a couple dozen Gothic cathedrals in game, I'm pleased to recommend other styles of architecture as well. This cathedral is unique, ancient, and historically important--that sounds like a world wonder to me.
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 22
Royal Palace of Palenque - 9
Serpent Mound - 6

 

[Guatenadian]

Buddhas of Bamiyan - 7
Duomo di Milano - 26
Etchmiadzin Cathedral - 18
Hwangnyongsa - 29
Mortuary Temple of Hatshepsut - 19 (22-3) I knew my opinion is divisive(which in my opinion is good, its better that we all are able to debate which wonders are worthy) but we have a cluster of wonders that are all physically located in Egypt. Whether they were Hellenistic or Egyptian they are/were all located in modern day Egypt. I would much rather have wonders from regions/cultures that aren't currently represented i.e Korea or Armenia. I would still love for this wonder to be in the game but others are more important to me.
Royal Palace of Palenque - 9
Serpent Mound - 7 (6+1) Never going to give this up.

 

[God of Kings]

Well, if you're asking my opinion, the answer is no...it doesn't count as a wonder at all. Great Work of Sculpture...maybe. In which case, yes, it's definitely French.

As for the Great Lighthouse and Great Library, they were built by Hellenes in the Hellenistic style; there's nothing Egyptian about them except their coincidental location in Alexandria, a Hellenistic city. A much better analogy might be asking if Broadway is a Native American wonder because it's located in America...

Don't forget that some of the skyscrapers located on the same small island as Broadway were constructed by Mohawks (though not designed by Native Americans much).